It might get worse for us in CO

[Irving]

I guess we can't have this discussion anymore. I'm not trying to dispute any numbers from any studies. I'm trying to point out that stupid ideas like "Operation Wetback" don't hold the answers to your problems.

As to this:

"operation wetback" or a similar deportation program was implemented by Hoover, Turman and Eisenhower. are you calling all of them knee jerk reaction presidents?

Yes, I am saying that those were knee jerk reactions. Just like the recent bail outs.
I spent a few minutes doing some searches on the Great Depression, The New Deal, etc, and not once in hundreds of searches is "Operation Wetback" ever brought up. Must have been a very successful program. I've never even heard of it before until you started mentioning it every chance you got. There must be a reason for that.

I'm not sure why you have a problem understanding the whole entitlement issue. I don't feel entitled to anything. If I want something, I have to work for it.

I'm not sure how you argue that I survive off of welfare, health care, and taxes. Last time I checked, those are all hurdles to my financial security.

For what it's worth, I don't see anyone even addressing what I'm say, at all. Certainly not you. I guess no one gets it.

[trlcavscout]

"It is astonishing to me that you guys want to take the things that are great about America, throw them in the trash and turn our country into another North Korea or Mexico. People come here because it is a land of opportunity where it doesn't matter what color you are or how you got here, as long as you can take care of yourself, you'll be given the opportunity to prosper."

That is where a big part of the problem is, the people here that help them get them ridiculous home loans under fake names with payments they cant make. HOW DID THAT HELP OUR CURRENT SITUATION?

Some do make money working underground jobs like agriculture or Swift. And they are then allowed to get "assistance" so they dont starve to death. Both of these result in another problem - FAKE ID'S. Which results in what NO ACCOUNTABILITY for crimes, traffic accidents, health care costs etc. WHO PAYS FOR THESE PROBLEMS? Why are health carse costs so high, doctor visits, hospital etc. Because they are carrying so much bad debt they have to make money somewhere.

Others do not work at all, they mooch off programs and who knows what, they have people here (their are even businesses who specialize in this) who help them obtain fake documents so they qualify for these programs. So the programs who tax payers fund to help tax payers when they need help, are so over stretched they cant help half the tax payers when they need it. When I got laid off in 04 I tried to get "assistance", the company fought my unemployment and I was told their was no assistance available for me in Weld county?

Again I have no problem with legal immigration, my family registered at Ellis Island a long time ago then moved to Kansas and farmed for decades where they payed taxes and spoke only english.

[ChunkyMonkey]

-MB888, your rates most likely went up due to the rate adjustments that companies do every single quarter.

How about the $500 (LOST) deductible? My higher adjustment, eventhough it is illegal, it happened quite often, was due to the claim. I had perfect record and no accidents. My zipcode was not adjusted and there are no other factors as I have multiple vehicles for personal and business in the same address with same drivers, and only that particular vehicle received an adjustment.

I was also an underwriter for a fresh coverage write up in the late 90s. In short, I got cheated by the illegal and the insurance company.

[ChunkyMonkey]

That is where a big part of the problem is, the people here that help them get them ridiculous home loans under fake names with payments they cant make. HOW DID THAT HELP OUR CURRENT SITUATION?

Loans cannot be issued on ghost ID. Like most foreign investors, any foreigner may purchase properties/stocks/investment in US. If must, with their own loans (Hint. Banco de Mexico will loan out upto 80% at one point) or through Hard money lenders (private lenders like you and I who lend $ based on asset). I just want to clarify the rumors that anyone with fake names or fake social security can simply purchase and obtain bank/govt loans. That simply is not true.

In most cases, they use one legal person's identification to purchase multiple houses for everyone else for certain fee. Straw buyer per se. I dont mean to negate the thread.

[Irving]

I'll only address the drug comment once more since it is off topic. If jail time for drug use was any kind of deterrent, then 55% of the Federal prison population wouldn't be in prison for drug use. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-.../toohigh.shtml

Using studies showing that illegals cost tax payer money as evidence of why we should deport them IS drivel. Using that same logic we should also work on deporting:
-Every health care recipient
-Every Medicare and Medicade recipient
-Everyone who uses automobiles on public road ways
-Children who are in school
-Drunk drivers
-All incarcerated people
-The Federal government
-NASA
-High Fructose Corn Syrup
-Nicotine

Anything else?
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[ChunkyMonkey]

Extremely poor example there. Illegals by their own term is illegal and have no rights to the rest of taxpayers or US citizen/resident.

I am outta here, this one is not worth reading anymore.

[Irving]

Okay I'll give you that one, considering that people who drive to work actually pay into the system, supposedly.

[sniper7]

I'll only address the drug comment once more since it is off topic. If jail time for drug use was any kind of deterrent, then 55% of the Federal prison population wouldn't be in prison for drug use. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-.../toohigh.shtml

Using studies showing that illegals cost tax payer money as evidence of why we should deport them IS drivel. Using that same logic we should also work on deporting:
-Every health care recipient
-Every Medicare and Medicade recipient
-Everyone who uses automobiles on public road ways
-Children who are in school
-Drunk drivers
-All incarcerated people
-The Federal government
-NASA
-High Fructose Corn Syrup
-Nicotine

Anything else?
-

except those programs were designed for taxpayers, to be supported by taxpayers. they were designed for citizens and legal immigrants.
illegal is illegal, what is soo hard to get about that?

and yes there is abuse of the system and we ALL know it won't all get fixed, but illegals shouldn't even have a crack at it to begin with.

another poor example...

[sniper7]

Extremely poor example there. Illegals by their own term is illegal and have no rights to the rest of taxpayers or US citizen/resident.

I am outta here, this one is not worth reading anymore.

pretty much everything he is writing lately isn't worth reading anymore.

i'm off to bed

[Anton]

Using studies showing that illegals cost tax payer money as evidence of why we should deport them IS drivel.

That's not what you said. First, illegals didn't cost taxpayers money, then the scholarly estimates about what illegals cost taxpayers were useless because they were estimates, now your argument is evolving again.

So basically, we shouldn't bother deporting illegals, because its a-okay that taxpaying citizens have to shell out their hard earned cash to support them? And illegal immigrants contribute as much to our nation as NASA? Interesting argument. Its merits are so "dumb" (as you would say) as to make it undebatable.

I've said my peace, I'm done.