Random guy from Armslist wants to do a deal without an FFL...

[Big E3]

Not trying to start any hassles, but do you really think that law enforcement has the time for these type of piddly setups?

It’s my experience that some ignoring of the law occurs at virtually every FFL in regards to the BGC law. This is my pet peeve when everybody talks about always following the letter of the BGC law. Then I bring up the following section of the state statute about only being able to charge a maximum fee of $10 to do a transfer. I usually get the proverbial they took that out of the law. So just now before posting this post I went to the state web site to copy the section below. I keep a printed copy of the law with me. I have even been told to get out of there shop. It reminds me of confronting a liberal with the facts of an issue and they have no rebuttal so they either shout you down or walk away. I only bring it up to make a point and I don’t believe $10 would cover their expenses.

SECTION 1. Colorado Revised Statutes, 18-12-112 as
follows:
18-12-112. Private firearms transfers - background check
required - penalty - definitions.
2 (d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED TEN
DOLLARS.

[CS1983]

It’s my experience that some ignoring of the law occurs at virtually every FFL in regards to the BGC law. This is my pet peeve when everybody talks about always following the letter of the BGC law. Then I bring up the following section of the state statute about only being able to charge a maximum fee of $10 to do a transfer. I usually get the proverbial they took that out of the law. So just now before posting this post I went to the state web site to copy the section below. I keep a printed copy of the law with me. I have even been told to get out of there shop. It reminds me of confronting a liberal with the facts of an issue and they have no rebuttal so they either shout you down or walk away. I only bring it up to make a point and I don’t believe $10 would cover their expenses.

SECTION 1. Colorado Revised Statutes, 18-12-112 as
follows:
18-12-112. Private firearms transfers - background check
required - penalty - definitions.
2 (d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED TEN
DOLLARS.

In my experience they charge their pre-"law" transfer fee+the "state" $10.

This goes back to my idea on itemizing every single damnable tax aspect of a sale for anything, everywhere so folks' $5 burger is shown to actually be $3 or whatever it would be if the .gov didn't tax like crazy. People have no idea how much they pay in taxes in total, from "income"(which should not be one's basic wage) to everything else.

I'm reading a trilogy by Walter Macken about Ireland, which traces from the time of the Cromwellian invasion of Ireland to after the 1916 rebellion. Frankly, I see no substantial difference in how the Irish were treated by the English and how we are treated as "citizens". And moreover, I see no real difference in treatment our National ancestors received from the King of England which sparked this whole failed experiment to begin with. We threw off one tyrant for many.

[Kraven251]

Well, they did come back to agree to do the BGC, but I discovered why they were hesitant. let's just put it that they were fairly gender fluid and I guess they have found the gun shop crowds not super receptive to them, but the guys at Iron Horse in Parker did no issues and no problems.

[Grant H.]

Seems to me there's a pretty big difference between knowingly and deliberately violating the law yourself on the one hand, and having a complete stranger ask you to break the law on his behalf on the other.

I can see why a person would get bent out of shape over the latter even if they were OK with the former.

I understand the point you are making, but I was referring to people I know who have heard that a firearm was transferred (they weren't involved) and then they went off about breaking the law, while I know for a fact that they have purchased magazines that don't follow the laws...

I personally don't care what someone else does, as long as it doesn't affect me directly. It makes my life much simpler.

[Zundfolge]

Anyone ever see any stats out there that show firearm related crime stats for pre-bullshit laws vs. post-bullshit laws in CO? It would be interesting to see.

My guess is that there be practically no change at all. Yay! More government interference in our lives and less money in our pockets for nothing.

You assume that the purpose of universal background checks is reduction in crime. Its not. its about a reduction in gun ownership and thus less people politically opposed to gun control or at the very least inconvenience people who engage in "wrong think" (counting coup in the culture war).

[Martinjmpr]

I understand the point you are making, but I was referring to people I know who have heard that a firearm was transferred (they weren't involved) and then they went off about breaking the law, while I know for a fact that they have purchased magazines that don't follow the laws...

I personally don't care what someone else does, as long as it doesn't affect me directly. It makes my life much simpler.

Yeah, that's how I would react as well. If I choose to follow the law or not, it's my choice. I have no concern about what someone else does or doesn't do WRT the law. I would imagine that this particular law is violated all the time, especially when it comes to transfers between family members or acquaintances but that's really none of my concern.

[TFOGGER]

People on here own GUNS?






Comply publicly, do Whatever-the-hell-you-want privately, and KEEP IT PRIVATE.

[KevDen2005]

probably not LE, but I would assume some type of journalist or media trying to get a "big story."

[KevDen2005]

Although the law is extremely stupid it is probably best to follow (That's my disclaimer)

[P89DC]

Met a guy at the local BWW bar, turns out we had a mutual friend. He found out I had a 77/44 for sale, he offered an extra $100 over my asking price if we could do it off the books. I told him I'd be happy to pay the fees, he got real quiet and the conversation ended. I know he's not a cop, I assume he was unable to buy due to previous law issues (it's usually domestic violence). Nobody buys a 77/44 to go postal, your shoulder would fall off first.