PRESIDENT TRUMP!

[Great-Kazoo]

I guess we'll see. Or maybe he's just laying low until he can go full Nuremberg on her. I'd like the hanging to be on national television.

IF he announced there would be charges, prior to being sworn in. Obama could pardon her. In effect putting any investigations, current or future along with serious charges of treason etc dead in the water.

[CS1983]

I don't disagree and that's exactly what I said. But, that's basically the only viable choices we have with our system right now, whether we like it or disagree with it, or not.

Hey...at least with republicans I still have an arm.

I agree to the extent that I voted for Trump. My stance is most in line with the Constitution Party, though they are not viable at the present. What I'd like to see is rather than the pushing of a party per se, the pushing of principles within a viable host, a la the same thing the Communists did with the Democrats. I believe the Tea Party movement tried, but it was too vocal too fast and got squashed by the neo-cons.

This is the Republican Party stance from 1956: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838

It's almost unrecognizable in the Republican party today.

Here's the Constitution Party platform: http://www.constitutionparty.com/ass...ll-Version.pdf

It's much more in line with what America was supposed to be, could be, should be.

[CS1983]

No.

I'm fairly convinced guns are the only thing keeping us from going full-tilt Communist/totalitarian. That is why for the last eight years rifles have been targeted. Rifles win wars. Anyone concerned with gun violence would be fixed on handguns. And they aren't. They want a monopoly on violence so they can do nasty but necessary (in their shared mind) things.

Take a trip out to social media, read the anger/hatred, and tell me I'm wrong. And while I really do hope I'm wrong, it wouldn't surprise me in the least for us to find ourselves in a might makes right reality very soon.

And the man who gives up his arms because the government tells him to deserves the jackboot which will be placed on his neck. Republicans are by no means our friends on guns.

Here's their official position: http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Rep...un_Control.htm

It's basically fluff.

Here's at least one Republican's stance on guns: http://thehill.com/regulation/284792...n-control-bill

No due process, no conviction and yet, no guns. Hrm.

Here's a Pew report on Republican vs Democrat views (note, this is registered Republicans, not necessarily Politicians): http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/08/pew-gun-study

Support of across the board BGC, Federal Database, and ban on "assault style" weapons (whatever the hell those are)... Will Republican voters really be our friends? Not based on those survey responses.

More: http://www.voanews.com/a/sickened-by...l/3376531.html

King (R), from NY... Republican. Supports denial of self-defense rights to people convicted of nothing, not charged, and who have no real recourse.

Reagan, that paragon of Republican nostalgia: http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Ron...un_Control.htm
http://theweek.com/articles/582926/h...ve-gun-control
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gun...ald-Reagan.htm (GCA 1968 upholding w/ 86 law, encouraged passing of ban on "assault weapons" post-presidency, etc.)

I could go on and on. The Republican party is no friend. They just sell us down the river at a slower pace.

[CS1983]

IF he announced there would be charges, prior to being sworn in. Obama could pardon her. In effect putting any investigations, current or future along with serious charges of treason etc dead in the water.

Yes. Though, Obama was quoted on another issue of saying he could not pardon someone not convicted of a crime. He did however pardon some turkeys today for the crime of being responsible for tomorrow's food coma.

[Bailey Guns]

I agree to the extent that I voted for Trump. My stance is most in line with the Constitution Party, though they are not viable at the present. What I'd like to see is rather than the pushing of a party per se, the pushing of principles within a viable host, a la the same thing the Communists did with the Democrats. I believe the Tea Party movement tried, but it was too vocal too fast and got squashed by the neo-cons.

This is the Republican Party stance from 1956: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838

It's almost unrecognizable in the Republican party today.

Here's the Constitution Party platform: http://www.constitutionparty.com/ass...ll-Version.pdf

It's much more in line with what America was supposed to be, could be, should be.

Yeah...that's fine and dandy and all that jazz. Seriously...I don't disagree. I'm not the guy you need to convince...it's the other 200 million registered voters. But, with the system we have, what does it really mean? It means we do the best we can and work for change how we can. That's it.

In my opinion, at least at this point, we've made a fantastic change from where we could've been had Clinton been elected. Not ideal by any means. But it's better. And it's the best we could've hoped for under the circumstances.

[Martinjmpr]

Yes. Though, Obama was quoted on another issue of saying he could not pardon someone not convicted of a crime. He did however pardon some turkeys today for the crime of being responsible for tomorrow's food coma.

Ford pardoned Nixon even though he was never charged.


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I could go on and on. The Republican party is no friend. They just sell us down the river at a slower pace.

I agree the GOP isn't perfect but like I said the difference between the Republicans and Democrats is significant.

We just went through a two year period where all Dems were screaming was "ban scary guns" and the GOP blocked it. Orlando, San Bernardino, etc... The GOP was the party of "NO!" that we needed them to be.

And although Trump is certainly not a traditional Republican, his win has taken gun control off the table. Notice as well the high profile shootings have seem to be on pause? The media has stopped talking up gun violence which I believe has been a message to mass murderers on how they make themselves relevant.

There are certainly improvements to be made. And even though some Republicans have said they want to be reasonable (compromise) we're all aware gun rights will ultimately be decided the USSC and not some Senator looking to win an election.

[Great-Kazoo]

the losing side is asking for recounts in "swing states" I posted on the leftist sites.
I Agree to a recount
Providing every voter in contested states shows a Valid I.D. This way we can verify no outside forces tried to sway the election. OOPS that went over well.
Once again showing how tolerant they are

[Dave]

Jill Stein and the Green Party has raised enough to file for a recount in Wisconsin.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-green-...142830952.html

[Great-Kazoo]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-ex...095745950.html

I called it to a T! Now they are trying to infer that Russia hacked the election, just as predicted.

They seem to forget Hillary Conceded. IF the election were to be overturned. The media thinks there are protest now........................