The Untold History of School

[Irving]

There is discussion in the interview about how it all looks like a big conspiracy theory, and if you go around stating relevant facts it makes you look like a tinfoil hat wearing boob, even though it's all true. As usual, the truth is a bit more nuanced with concern to people's intentions.

[Irving]

Did anyone ever listen to this? It seemed like many of you were passingly familiar with the history and I was looking forward to some interesting discussion.

[CS1983]

Did anyone ever listen to this? It seemed like many of you were passingly familiar with the history and I was looking forward to some interesting discussion.

Haven't had time. My wife intends to listen to it, but she is already very familiar with Gatto's ideas.

[Skip]

Did anyone ever listen to this? It seemed like many of you were passingly familiar with the history and I was looking forward to some interesting discussion.

I skipped through the first interview and still haven't had time to fully listen/pay attention.

[Rumline]

My wife's a teacher. Has taught at both public and private schools. I'll see if I can get her to listen to it and give comments, but I doubt it.

[Irving]

I often forget that not everyone spends more time driving than working like I do.

[Delfuego]

Couple of whiny millennials. Complaining, but offering no solutions. They suggested they are plenty of expert teachers on YouTube. 29 y/o guy with a 1 y/o kid who thinks he will reinvent the wheel of child rearing. Classic...

Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I awarded you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'll be checking these out for sure. Thanks for the links.

I've heard/read that we've used the same Prussian model - for 200 years. Seems like we could have improved on things a little. With online learning, schools will have some serious competition in the years to come.

On another note, I was talking to a rather left leaning acquaintance the other day who told me that he though $15k a year per high school kid was a good deal for taxpayers. These people really believe this. Amazing .

I would argue that we did well using the Prussian model for a hundred years but have been doing rather poorly ever since self-appointed and self-promoted "education specialists" thought they could do better and started changing how we educated kids. I would advocate a return to the classical education of the late 19th or early 20th century over the bilge being promoted by "education professionals". If they have a Master's or Doctorate in "Education", they probably don't know how to teach.

[CS1983]

Couple of whiny millennials. Complaining, but offering no solutions. They suggested they are plenty of expert teachers on YouTube. 29 y/o guy with a 1 y/o kid who thinks he will reinvent the wheel of child rearing. Classic...

Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I awarded you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Nice strawman deflection attempt, but if they are discussing Gatto's books and ideas it's simply incorrect to cast them off with mere hand waving. Perhaps you'll try table pounding next?

[Delfuego]

Unfortunately, a lot of parents completely suck so the children would be uneducated in many homes.

This is a huge issue. Homeschooling may be feasible in a home with intelligent and literate parents, unfortunately in this country and many more countries in the world this is not the case. What do we do for the children of "dummies"? Those children may be brilliant, but without some form of organized education they will be lost to the world.

Nice strawman deflection attempt,

You love using that simplistic term. I think your tinfoil may be a little tight. Just because one of these guys read a book by a guy, does not make him an expert on the subject matter within that book nor a historian of the Prussian education system. His synopsis of the the history of the education system was quite underwhelming. In my opinion, it is the classic case of a little bit of knowledge is a bad thin. Lots of little bits of knowledge stung together with thin threads. Ultimately leading nowhere.

He's just another guy on YouTube with an opinion. Did you happen to hear the portion where one guys asks the other about a book, neither have read it, then they proceed to give a synopsis of said book. I have had more interesting and fulfilling conversation on education 3 sheets to the wind at a backyard barbecue. They offer no solutions, only complaints.