Body-Cam Video Of Daniel Shaver Shooting

[Ronin13]

Those who enforce the law should be held to a more stringent standard than those who break it. Every good officer suffers because of this bullshit and the lack of any real ramifications of any kind. Our system is not one of justice however, it is an oligarchy of mere technicalities to enable biased judgments that please the king's anointed.

Anyone who thinks air rifles in the room contributed to the suspects death... Sorry, nope. Not unless he walked into the hallway with one. The substance of a 911 call does not justify an officers actions in pulling the trigger.

The standard some of you want to justify is "mere constructive possession of something that looks like a weapon justifies killing you, even if not on your person when police respond" or alternatively, "the uneducated hearsay assertions of a 911 call justifies killing you, even if the person was blatantly lying when calling 911". Guess what, you guys signed your own death certificates.

Yeah, lets incrementally become even more like North Korea, mmmkay? How about the ones justifying this standard are the ones that it gets applied to, and the rest of us have a constitutionally objective standard. Sounds great to me.

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You sound very cynical and slighted by the justice system. Officers can only respond with the information given, and in this case that information was from multiple witnesses who stated observing a rifle pointed out of a window of a hotel room. To say that that didn't play a factor at all in how the officers responded is ignorant at best. Up until the moment of attempting to get the male suspect (the deceased) into custody, the response to this situation was by the book. Officers were responding to a report of an individual armed with a rifle. Does the information once officer arrive change? All the freaking time. The call had already involved weapons, and the responding officers tailored their response to the potentiality of a lethal situation. By the law of averages where there is one gun, there is probably two. This is the direct result of the individual's actions. Him being shot is a completely different aspect to the situation, but criticism of the response up to initiating contact with suspect(s) is completely unwarranted from the lay public. Sorry you had a bad experience, but as I stated, up to the point of initial contact with the suspect, I cannot find fault in the response. Does it justify killing someone? Maybe, maybe not, that's all dependent upon the totality of the circumstances. But the individuals actions prior to law enforcement arrival definitely warrant a heightened state of alertness in the response to what was reported.

[esaabye]

I had to watch this with my teen and explain to him how to deal with police. Not the conversation about how to comply but instead how and when to just go still and freeze.i don't know what else this poor kid could have done as had had no path to comply.

[OtterbatHellcat]

With some slightly more subjective input....I have to say that I'm PRO COP damn near all the time. Not always, but damn near.

I originally voiced an opinion that this was a "shitty shoot". I just watched a loop from hands straight up to last shot fired about 20 times.

For a short bit, I thought he might have been going for the bag in the middle of the floor....clearly not the case.

NOW I see the right hand motion he made behind his back, and started to bring his hand forward again....that is when the officer did what I believe to be procedure/training response.

While I still think that it sucks the subject was killed in the process of trying to follow seemingly odd directions being given....I also now see a clear and obvious window where that officer was on auto pilot relying on his training to neutralize a potential threat. Had I not seen the subject right hand motion behind and then forward, I would still call this a "shitty shoot".

That poor judgement with his right hand is what sealed his fate IMO......the rest of his poor decisions aside.

ETA:...that officer didn't have the benefit of watching it happen 20 times.

[brutal]

OK,

Now I really want to know is when are we getting a popcorn smiley. Could use one here right about now.

[CS1983]

His poor judgment was necessitated by an idiot screaming contradictory orders and having him crawl, while intoxicated, in a hallway which had an object in his way, while continually being told if he made a mistake he would be shot. It was a shitty shoot because Sgt. Charles Langley wanted to play bad ass and engage in unnecessary repartee, instead of doing a simple job in a cool and collected manner.

[00tec]

OK,

Now I really want to know is when are we getting a popcorn smiley. Could use one here right about now.

[OtterbatHellcat]

I won't disagree with you Cav.

The idiot screaming is an idiot IMO. The officer that fired was operating on training I believe.

[OtterbatHellcat]

Damn, I ain't had popcorn in a long time.

[brutal]

Why couldn't I find that?

[Irving]

We've had one for years. You just have to cross your left leg over your right leg, AT THE KNEE, behind your back, close your left eye, keep my right eye open, crawl forward eleven paces using only the peaks of your hips and your chin, raise your credit score by 6 points on Experian and 2 points in Equifax, open a free checking account at Chase bank, load three .40S&W cartridges with 9.5 grains of Titegroup, use a 1.5" chisel to hand carve a dovetail into a rubber doorstop, legally take an elk with a .38 special at 77 yards, and vote your conscientious at the next election, while selecting the smiley from the drop down menu under the Go Advanced tab. You have till I can count down from ten to zero and if you make a mistake I'll fucking kill you.