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    Is "mental illness" the new secular way of saying evil? In the past there was really only one solution and it didn't involve pretending these people were okay enough to live next to us just not own a piece of metal.

    But again, the facts don't matter. The goalpost for gun rights is now "no one better do anything bad with a gun." So if even if we dumped gazillions into mental health we would still have a crazy or two that slips through the cracks and the result would eventually be bans. One of the major political parties in this country just does not want us owning guns for any reason. They openly communicate this but never have to explain it as the conversation is framed around these exceptional and tragic events.

    Like I said, this is now a political issue and politics (democracy) will be used to resolve it, short of another Civil War. If folks were honest we could at least talk about why certain people are uncomfortable with gun ownership and how that fits in with America. I think it expose how there are two countries inside the US with completely different values and possibly lead to good solutions.

    The real and decent solution, as we all know, is to have good people with guns to oppose evil with an equal/greater amount of violence. This is precisely why Libs don't want it (yes, I really believe those at the top are this sick and calculating). If evil is thwarted their goalposts are meaningless and they lose the ability to disarm their political opponents.

    And this is why they are going after semi-auto rifles... Rifles win wars. The AR is the modern rifle. It's exactly why the media pimps mass shootings with AR-15s and messages that anyone who wants to be relevant should get one and shoot up a school. How many school shootings with AKs? AKs have been cheaper and widely available but not advertised by media as the weapon of choice.

    The monster got his name in lights and, also thanks to Libs, we can't impose the death penalty as a disincentive to others.
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    With the usual hysterics regarding 's Guns and AR-15 specifically. Imagine what we'd be dealing with EO wise since the vegas shootings. IF HRC had won
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    Is "mental illness" the new secular way of saying evil? In the past there was really only one solution and it didn't involve pretending these people were okay enough to live next to us just not own a piece of metal.

    But again, the facts don't matter. The goalpost for gun rights is now "no one better do anything bad with a gun." So if even if we dumped gazillions into mental health we would still have a crazy or two that slips through the cracks and the result would eventually be bans. One of the major political parties in this country just does not want us owning guns for any reason. They openly communicate this but never have to explain it as the conversation is framed around these exceptional and tragic events.

    Like I said, this is now a political issue and politics (democracy) will be used to resolve it, short of another Civil War. If folks were honest we could at least talk about why certain people are uncomfortable with gun ownership and how that fits in with America. I think it expose how there are two countries inside the US with completely different values and possibly lead to good solutions.

    The real and decent solution, as we all know, is to have good people with guns to oppose evil with an equal/greater amount of violence. This is precisely why Libs don't want it (yes, I really believe those at the top are this sick and calculating). If evil is thwarted their goalposts are meaningless and they lose the ability to disarm their political opponents.

    And this is why they are going after semi-auto rifles... Rifles win wars. The AR is the modern rifle. It's exactly why the media pimps mass shootings with AR-15s and messages that anyone who wants to be relevant should get one and shoot up a school. How many school shootings with AKs? AKs have been cheaper and widely available but not advertised by media as the weapon of choice.

    The monster got his name in lights and, also thanks to Libs, we can't impose the death penalty as a disincentive to others.
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    More from Denninger this morning

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232997

    Scott Israel Must Be Removed From Office
    2018-02-16 11:04 by Karl Denninger

    Right now.

    And if he is not, then every citizen in Broward County has a duty to flip the bird to every Sheriff's Deputy, and Scott Israel himself, along with shunning not only him but every member of his family and every employee in the Sheriff's Office.

    Why?

    Because of this:

    "If you're an elected official, and you want to keep things the way they are, and not do things differently, if you want to keep the gun laws as they are now, you will not get re-elected in Broward County,” Israel said Thursday night to cheers, as locals grieved the 17 victims killed a day earlier.
    **** you Scott Israel, you piece of disgusting dog****.

    The cops were called to Cruz's home 36 times in the six years from 2010 to 2016. These calls were, in many instances, for domestic violence.

    And much like the calls before – which were placed due to reasons ranging from the brothers beating each other to Cruz, at the age of 12, threating his mother and calling her a “useless b****” – law enforcement left without taking any further action.
    But he was never arrested for any of this.

    May I remind you that even a misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence is a bar to purchasing a firearm legally.

    Had the piece of **** Scott Israel done his ****ing job and in just one of the 36 instances arrested, booked and charged Cruz with even a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence -- crimes that were evident and visible on three dozen occasions -- he would not have been able to pass an FBI background check and buy a firearm. A single guilty plea or conviction on even one such charge would have gotten Cruz flagged as a prohibited person in the NICS database.

    So who's responsible for Cruz buying that AR-15 in a perfectly-legal transaction?

    SCOTT ISRAEL, THE SHERIFF OF BROWARD COUNTY, IS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABILITY OF CRUZ TO WALK INTO A GUN STORE AND BUY THE FIREARM WITH WHICH HE KILLED 17 KIDS.

    Now, having failed to discharge his state constitutionally-required duty on three dozen separate occasions, many if not most of which took place while he has been Sheriff (he was elected in 2012), this jackass has the termerity to claim that we need more "gun control."

    No, what we need are Sheriffs that do their ****ing job and arrest violent people when they find them in the middle of committing violent, criminal acts.

    The fact that SCOTT ISRAEL did not do so is the reason -- the single, sole, factual reason -- that Cruz was able to legally buy a firearm instead of being listed as a prohibited person in the NICS database.

    SHERIFF SCOTT ISRAEL MUST BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE AND HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE 17 DEATHS. HE HAS BEEN GROSSLY DERELICT IN HIS LEGALLY-MANDATED DUTIES NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, BUT REPEATEDLY SINCE 2012 THROUGH HIS WILLFUL AND INTENTIONAL REFUSAL TO ENFORCE THE LAW -- LAWS THAT, IF ENFORCED, WOULD HAVE PREVENTED CRUZ FROM LEGALLY BUYING HIS WEAPON.

    Period.

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    Karl sure sounds like a dummy.
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    Exactly what kind of "further action" does this guy expect out of police for ->
    And much like the calls before – which were placed due to reasons ranging from the brothers beating each other to Cruz, at the age of 12, threating his mother and calling her a “useless b****” – law enforcement left without taking any further action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Exactly what kind of "further action" does this guy expect out of police for ->
    Perhaps you should ask him directly.
    The link is iat the top of the original post.

    ETA: I'd like to see how that turns out.
    He banned me from commenting after the first time I disagreed with one of his articles.
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    So a guy that just wants to yell his opinion, but never discuss anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    So a guy that just wants to yell his opinion, but never discuss anything?
    Duh, internet.

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