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    Experts: Schools’ active shooter prep being done the wrong way
    The Department of Homeland Security's guidance for people in mass shooting situations is outdated and could be costing lives, an expert on mass shootings told ABC News in the wake of the Parkland, Fla., high school shooting that killed 17 people earlier this month.

    DHS' advice to "run, hide, fight," which has been in place since the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn., incorrectly advises students to "hide" which leaves them vulnerable to mass shooters, Active shooter prevention expert Chris Grollnek told the news network.

    Grollnek says he estimates that more than 90 percent of fatalities he examined in 13 different shootings were the result of victims trying to hide from their attacker.

    "If someone told you there was a bomb in your building, would you get under your desk or would you leave the building?" Grollnek asked. "You would get out. An active shooter is the same thing as a ticking bomb in your building."

    Former FBI special agent Greg Shaffer concurred with Grollnek's analysis in an interview with ABC, telling students to attempt to flee the area instead of hiding under desks.

    "Hiding under your desk is hands-down the wrong thing to do," Shaffer said. "There needs to be a new shift to stress the importance of getting out of the school building."

    "Those hiding under desks are just making themselves easy targets," he added.

    Shaffer also called on schools to install safety features that can prevent casualties in the event of a mass shooting, such as classroom doors that can be locked from the inside without keys as well as keeping objects such as hammers or screwdrivers that could wound an intruder.

    But the experts say running is still a better option.

    "The hit rate on a moving target is less than 4 percent so by running, you have a 96 percent chance of getting away and even if you are hit, the fatality rate is less than 0.1 percent," Shaffer said. "Running is always your best option."
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    Commanding officer initially ordered responding deputies to 'stage' not enter Stoneman Douglas, sources say
    Fox News has learned that in the critical moments as first responding deputies were searching for an active shooter on the property of Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school, a commanding officer on scene apparently ordered some of the initial responders to “stage” and set up a “perimeter” outside -- instead of immediately ordering or allowing officers to rush in to neutralize the suspect, Nikolas Cruz.

    “It’s atrocious,” a law enforcement source who was on the scene after the shooting told Fox News. “If deputies were staging it could have cost lives.”

    The law enforcement source said responding deputies and officers were called to an active shooter scene in which they are trained to immediately “go, go, go” toward the direction of the shooter. “Every second is another life,” the source said.

    The Broward County Sherrif’s Office policy on active shooters indicates responding deputies may enter the building to preserve life without permission. That remains the priority until various objectives are met such as the shooter being detained. The policy does not appear to list staging or a perimeter as an immediate priority.
    Lots of details at the link above.
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    "A hammer or screwdriver to wound the attacker". Was harsh language too much to put on the table? How about a table to crush him with? Large blocks of cement suspended over a doorway too? Or a good old fashioned 1911 to fight fire with fire.
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    Lots of wisdom in that article. Many of us are always preaching "when shtf your threat isn't going to be standing there waiting for you to shoot", yet in many of these school shootings, many of the victims are in fact standing, crouching, laying, etc, trying to hide in place. Your average shit bag, cluster B individual, likely practices shooting at static targets, if they practice at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shooter45 View Post
    That's quite convenient right now as there's talk and support for arming teachers.
    Why on earth did this guy still have a job there?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-reports.html

    Dalton police reports indicate they had encountered Davidson twice in recent years exhibiting odd behavior
    •In a 2016 report, police wrote that Davidson had confessed to killing a woman
    •Police said they investigated and were not able to verify that his story was true
    •In another report last year, the teacher went missing during a school day and was later found sitting on a curb, conscious but unresponsive
    •He was taken to hospital following both occasions, according to the reports

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    In a 2016 report, police wrote that Davidson had walked into the department and told a rambling story about wanting to confess to killing a woman.

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    But police said they investigated and were not able to verify that any of the information was true.

    Police said that after the interview, Davidson was taken to a hospital 'based on him thinking about hurting himself.'

    Officers said in another report last year that Davidson had gone missing during a school day after telling a supervisor that he was unwell.

    He was later found by officers sitting on the curb of a street, conscious but unresponsive and being held up by two school staff members.

    He was again taken to a hospital.

    Obviously unhinged and in need of some care, even prior to the incident.
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    I think that is why the RUN comes before the HIDE part of the plan. If done in the right order, and the runners choose the directions that take them away from the shooter(s), they have an excellent chance of not becoming a casualty. HIDE only comes into play when RUN is not a safe option. Obviously when HIDE fails then FIGHT is all you have left unless being a stationary target is how you would like to exit this veil of tears.

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    Next shooting, they'll be outside waiting for all the students who will RUN from the building.
    While we cannot have a Minority Report / Pre Cog society. At what point in a LE contact does one not see the red flags?

    5? 10? 20? high 20's is unconscionable when we have the CLEO telling people on a worldwide forum, to ban certain kinds of guns because it's the guns fault. Yet for some reason neglected to mention His Deputies Failure to stop or impede this POS from continuing his killing spree. Everyone failed, EVERYONE, lets ban guns.
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    The big problem I have with a lot of active shooter training or policy is that they keep forgetting the "fight" aspect. Once getting out of the area is no longer an option and the shooter has found you, why meekly comply with his directions like the college students in Oregon did? I'd rather be shot while shoving a chair in his face or trying to cave his head in than shot while lined up against a wall with my hands up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    The big problem I have with a lot of active shooter training or policy is that they keep forgetting the "fight" aspect. Once getting out of the area is no longer an option and the shooter has found you, why meekly comply with his directions like the college students in Oregon did? I'd rather be shot while shoving a chair in his face or trying to cave his head in than shot while lined up against a wall with my hands up.
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    Run, fight, hide is what should be taught to deal with common core math.
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