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    The social media thing is troubling. Either they have be conscripted by the government or the other way around. It's sad that the best time in history for knowledge and idea sharing is getting filtered by corporations, the Hurst news papers. I'd like to help with the solution but I have some FortNight to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben4372 View Post
    The social media thing is troubling. Either they have be conscripted by the government or the other way around. It's sad that the best time in history for knowledge and idea sharing is getting filtered by corporations, the Hurst news papers. I'd like to help with the solution but I have some FortNight to play.
    I had a numch to say on the subject but then I read the last of this post and lost the desire to wax eloquently so I will just say this about that: YouTube can't be forced to put content out they don't approve of nor would I want the government telling me what I could or couldn't or... more importantly... HAD to host. I, for one, think the world wide web should be a veritable free-for-all. Free of ALL government control. You got internet access? Have at it. I don't want ANYONE driving agendas and the only way to prevent this is to completely extract government interference. And I do mean ALL interference. 99% of the content will be crap I don't care about or approve of but, due to the expansiveness of the Dub Dub Dub I will get all I want and more from that 1%. Sure this means a short-term minimization of subjects I personally find interesting but other entities wills sprout to serve those vacuums. Maybe not as big as YouTube but... so? As long as they're accessible and we know where to find them that's all that matters. We will see sponsorship from suppliers and what not who will also reap the rewards of supporting a platform we all support since we will buy from them. The important part is the government can't say it's bad for anyone and shut it down in this scenario. The problem is that people are too focused on making sure our ideals are supported on all platforms and equally represented and this is a waste of efforts. We need focus on GunTube.com or whatever the upstart will be. Done and done.

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    The problem with that is that Guntube or whatever will most likely never have an app for the PS4 or apple tv or fill in the blank. Gone are the days of Youtube being a side entertainment app that you show your friends on a laptop while getting drunk. for the last 4-5 years now youtube has been my primary entertainment ahead of netflix, et al.. Maybe I'm the minority on that. I'd love to dump youtube right now if I could but I have no other options for watching the programs I like to see barring standing around a laptop like its 2008.

    Rather than run, maybe we should make it hard on youtube. I had this idea a while back this laundromat pissed me off. I figured just writing a bad review would be pointless. So I wanted to, but never did, write a "positive" review. Write a nice 5 star review on google or whatever people review on that made them look bad.

    "Great place, most laundries frown on people like me washing my KKK robes, but not here A++++ service. Bonus no blacks or Jews working there."

    And maybe that's what we need to do. inundate them with so much shit. Or just keep uploading what they are. Or make Pro-gun "antigun" videos with terrible terrible links to where you can buy these products.

    If not what's the alternative? Full30.com hahahahahah don't make me laugh. Sadly as much as we don't want the govt. to regulate this how is it any different than them having their way with Ford motor co. or PepsiCo. The moment we fail to realize that our modern society revolves around tech companies (specifically google) while giving them all this power with no stop gaps or checks and file it under, "it's a private company..." We're fucked. They control the exchange of ideas discussions and thoughts. This isn't Ma and Pa small business telling and controlling what happens and us saying not to. This is THE information superhighway. What are you going to use Bing? hahaha....Bing...

    Much how the 1st Amendment or the 2nd or even the 3rd don't GRANT rights they protect god given rights, maybe these companies need to be told what they're not allowed to not allow rather than what they are allowed to allow or not allow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scanker19 View Post
    The problem with that is that Guntube or whatever will most likely never have an app for the PS4 or apple tv or fill in the blank. Gone are the days of Youtube being a side entertainment app that you show your friends on a laptop while getting drunk. for the last 4-5 years now youtube has been my primary entertainment ahead of netflix, et al.. Maybe I'm the minority on that. I'd love to dump youtube right now if I could but I have no other options for watching the programs I like to see barring standing around a laptop like its 2008.

    Rather than run, maybe we should make it hard on youtube. I had this idea a while back this laundromat pissed me off. I figured just writing a bad review would be pointless. So I wanted to, but never did, write a "positive" review. Write a nice 5 star review on google or whatever people review on that made them look bad.

    "Great place, most laundries frown on people like me washing my KKK robes, but not here A++++ service. Bonus no blacks or Jews working there."

    And maybe that's what we need to do. inundate them with so much shit. Or just keep uploading what they are. Or make Pro-gun "antigun" videos with terrible terrible links to where you can buy these products.

    If not what's the alternative? Full30.com hahahahahah don't make me laugh. Sadly as much as we don't want the govt. to regulate this how is it any different than them having their way with Ford motor co. or PepsiCo. The moment we fail to realize that our modern society revolves around tech companies (specifically google) while giving them all this power with no stop gaps or checks and file it under, "it's a private company..." We're fucked. They control the exchange of ideas discussions and thoughts. This isn't Ma and Pa small business telling and controlling what happens and us saying not to. This is THE information superhighway. What are you going to use Bing? hahaha....Bing...

    Much how the 1st Amendment or the 2nd or even the 3rd don't GRANT rights they protect god given rights, maybe these companies need to be told what they're not allowed to not allow rather than what they are allowed to allow or not allow.
    Great, now we just need to grant the government the legal power to tell people/companies what content they can & can't post on the world wide web thus regulating the subject matter of every item posted (or not posted) to the world wide web. What could go wrong with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scanker19 View Post
    The problem with that is that Guntube or whatever will most likely never have an app for the PS4 or apple tv or fill in the blank. Gone are the days of Youtube being a side entertainment app that you show your friends on a laptop while getting drunk. for the last 4-5 years now youtube has been my primary entertainment ahead of netflix, et al.. Maybe I'm the minority on that. I'd love to dump youtube right now if I could but I have no other options for watching the programs I like to see barring standing around a laptop like its 2008.
    I've been complaining on Full30s forum for more than a year that they need to build a Roku app ... it seems like every church with an iPad and more than 10 members has a Roku channel up so its not like its difficult or expensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    Great, now we just need to grant the government the legal power to tell people/companies what content they can & can't post on the world wide web thus regulating the subject matter of every item posted (or not posted) to the world wide web. What could go wrong with that?
    Right now they have several protections from government because they're a "platform" not a "publisher" and they're abusing the public trust with those special protections. Simply remove the protections and tell them "If you act like a platform you get the liability protection of a platform, but if you're going to act like a publisher you're responsible for every second of video you host". Then YouTube and others could decide if they want to respect free speech and be treated as a platform, or censor like a publisher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    Great, now we just need to grant the government the legal power to tell people/companies what content they can & can't post on the world wide web thus regulating the subject matter of every item posted (or not posted) to the world wide web. What could go wrong with that?
    Isn't that basically what's happening now, only switch government with youtube/facebook/twitter/ etc... At least if the gov did it we'd have the illusion of choice with a vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitz19d View Post
    I just watched that and was going to say something about it here. See that’s weird of YouTube to do.
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    What if you had a computer so big it took up millions of square feet just for the storage of data? A computer so big it was connected by fiber optics in several states? You could probably post anything you want on the utuber. Or you could have it taken down. You think you are free and have privacy? This machine will own you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    I had a numch to say on the subject but then I read the last of this post and lost the desire to wax eloquently so I will just say this about that: YouTube can't be forced to put content out they don't approve of nor would I want the government telling me what I could or couldn't or... more importantly... HAD to host. I, for one, think the world wide web should be a veritable free-for-all. Free of ALL government control. You got internet access? Have at it. I don't want ANYONE driving agendas and the only way to prevent this is to completely extract government interference. And I do mean ALL interference. 99% of the content will be crap I don't care about or approve of but, due to the expansiveness of the Dub Dub Dub I will get all I want and more from that 1%. Sure this means a short-term minimization of subjects I personally find interesting but other entities wills sprout to serve those vacuums. Maybe not as big as YouTube but... so? As long as they're accessible and we know where to find them that's all that matters. We will see sponsorship from suppliers and what not who will also reap the rewards of supporting a platform we all support since we will buy from them. The important part is the government can't say it's bad for anyone and shut it down in this scenario. The problem is that people are too focused on making sure our ideals are supported on all platforms and equally represented and this is a waste of efforts. We need focus on GunTube.com or whatever the upstart will be. Done and done.

    That being said.... Fortnite. In!

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    Sorry man, but that ship sailed a long time ago. The days of the internet being a wild west free for all where anyone can start a site and have a decent chance of finding an audience are over. What's worse is that these companies were able to gain competitive advantages over more traditional forms of media not only by the nature of how the internet works, but by having protections for themselves and their industry built into the DMCA.

    They were able to get legal protection by claiming that they aren't publishers and don't have the ability to gatekeep information in the same way a tv station or traditional print publisher could. But the fact that Facebook, Google, Youtube, Twitter, etc. are now very clearly acting as informational gatekeepers by shutting out people that don't agree with their corporate or political agendas shows that the protections they earned under DMCA were granted to organizations acting in bad faith.

    These corporations built massive empires on a distributed network that was based around the free exchange of information. They now have the ability, methods, and interest, and motives (political and financial) in gatekeeping what information is seen while ensuring that smaller competitors will never, ever, ever, ever see the light of day.

    Your attempting to defend a notion of the internet as it existed 20 years ago. That internet no longer exists, and the people who have built their empires in it are slowly ensuring that form of the internet will never exist again.

    That you don't think these psychopaths shouldn't be held to account because it somehow conflicts with a dead conception of what the internet is supposed to be is absolute insanity. You are defending the very people who wish to slit your throat.
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