This state is hosed

[GeorgeandSugar]

Gun control, followed by genocides
January 28, 2013

1929: The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929-1953, 20 million dissidents rounded up and murdered.

1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Christian Armenians rounded up and exterminated.

1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939-1945, 13 million Jews and others rounded up and exterminated.

1935: China established gun control. From 1948-1952, 20 million political dissidents rounded up and exterminated.

1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1981-1984, 100,000 Mayan Indians rounded up and exterminated.

1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971-1979, 300,000 Christians rounded up and exterminated.

1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975-1977, 1 million educated people rounded up and exterminated.

In the 20th Century more than 56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated by people using gun control.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...uss/701279952/


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[roberth]

Lets be honest about all of these gun control measures in other countries.
NO OTHER COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD THE AMOUNT OF FIREARMS WE HAVE.
these farmers, peasants, workers, professors, etc were not heavily armed or trained. Most of these people probably never had a gun to begin with and unless their countries conscripted, probably never even used one.

Thankfully we have lots and know how to use them. Fuck ALL THE POLITICIANS.

Excellent point,

Those other countries probably had a pretty easy time instituting their gun control programs.

[Bailey Guns]

Fuck ALL THE POLITICIANS.

I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment. If only it were that easy to just dismiss them. The reality is, it isn't. The other reality is they're probably gonna fuck you before you fuck them. And there's not a whole lot you can do about it.

[Bailey Guns]

Excellent point,

Those other countries probably had a pretty easy time instituting their gun control programs.

When has anyone (by that I mean an organized group) REALLY resisted ANY gun control measure that's been instituted in this country in our lifetimes? I can't think of an instance. Not in 1934. Not in 1968. Not in 1986. Not in 1994. Not in 2013. Resistance has occurred in the courts for the most part. And the record is mixed. Yet we have hundreds of millions of guns in the hands of ordinary people.

[Great-Kazoo]

Excellent point,

Those other countries probably had a pretty easy time instituting their gun control programs.

They don't and or didn't have a Constitution like we have, for now,

[Skip]

[snip]

Knowing this, you and I can look at gun control from an intellectual standpoint and say, with some pretty hard evidence to back it up, it never works as intended. Progressives look only at the emotional side of it. Gun control makes them feel good because maybe the wrong person won't be able to get a gun and hurt someone. Historical fact and plain logic have no room in their arguments.

Agree completely (with all). But I'm learning that I have to separate the "good intention" feel-good useful idiots who are ignorant, from those who know exactly what happens, "bad intention people." These bad intention people are the same people who boast of demographic "replacement," centralizing all power, and ultimately taking paychecks (slavery by another name). Gun control is a means to an ends so the facts don't matter to them either because their success requires ignorance.

Kind of like the Weather Underground who sat around 50 years ago coldly calculating how many Americans would resist "re-education" and need to be murdered as part of their revolution. In the last few years we've seen high profile Dems use similar suggestive language: "Irredeemable, does not belong" (in the state of NY). There is nuance here, but they are articulating that the differences aren't ideas but people. What do all powerful collectivists do with individuals who stand in the way of progress and prevent them from creating utopia?

The bad intention people know exactly what they are doing. And their hope is people don't catch on until the balance of physical power/force has shifted in such a significant way that it can't be recovered by the people.

ETA/PS: This is why I caution about running from tyranny as a strategy. Things might look good now, but the bad intention people can't let there be a competing free space that competes with their utopia.

Such utopias are built on people being forced in with no escape. Those escapes are a threat to their system. This is why their walls are built to keep people in (rather that the wall I want to keep people out).

They don't and or didn't have a Constitution like we have, for now,

Yup.

Constitution is paper. It means nothing if people aren't willing to defend it. Most of us could rattle off law, policy, decision examples that violate the Constitution.

[roberth]

Slightly off topic, but this is what the good folks in Washington State are dealing with. Ref 1639 ‭

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2018/...-new-gun-laws/

REPUBLIC, Wash. ? The police chief in Republic, Washington said on social media that he won?t allow his department to enforce the regulations passed by voters under Initiative 1639, saying the new gun laws violate the 2nd amendment.

[roberth]

There's nothing for him to choose to enforce that I can see. DA gets to chose charges, LEO has no choice in that. The act doesn't seem to involve much of anything that involves LEO as the point of first contact, a lot centers around FFL's, and FFL's will not be able to violate federal or state regs or circumvent background check changes.

The article also includes snippets of the whole "door to door confiscation" thing which is never going to happen. Gun owners will be forever distracted by their shiny wet dream, while they let registration and grandfathering happen down to the last gun. They don't need door-to-door, everyone's kids will voluntarily turn them in when we croak. Socialefts are not stupid.

(Note, not directed at you, just the article).

I think LEO is stating that a magazine infraction for instance, won't be a primary offense but like you said, if the DA gets a bug up his ass he'll pursue that and any other charges.

You're right, door to door won't happen en masse, they'll do it to a few via red-flag and then your remark about children is true.

The left is playing the long game, if my team were playing the long game the leftists in the 1950s and 1960s would have been run out of the country or DRT.

ETA - Been thinking about what I wrote here in my last statement. It is a gross violation of freedom of speech and association in their purest forms.

So I have a question - the left can do anything it wants w/o consequence, just look at antifa, the obvious election cheating in AZ and FL, the deprivation of natural rights that are affirmed by The Constitution, the assault on the language by political correctness, where is the line that creates a negative consequence for the left?