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    OAL should be measured with the stock folded out - rifles are designed to be shoulder fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whitewalrus View Post
    OAL should be measured with the stock folded out - rifles are designed to be shoulder fired.
    Yes, for rifle.

    For pistol, as I understand, the ATF recently posted a letter stating the opposite for any PISTOL that has a brace. Must be measured collapsed (end of buffer) or folded (end of receiver/folding mount).

    https://blog.princelaw.com/2019/07/0...ilizing-brace/
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    Because a standard AR pistol can't fire with the buffer tube folded, I'd think the measurement would be the end of the buffer tube.

    But I'd still remove any VFG from an AR pistol with a folding buffer tube just in case (since common sense and ATF don't go together)





    Quote Originally Posted by brutal View Post
    Yes, for rifle.

    For pistol, as I understand, the ATF recently posted a letter stating the opposite for any PISTOL that has a brace. Must be measured collapsed (end of buffer) or folded (end of receiver/folding mount).

    https://blog.princelaw.com/2019/07/0...ilizing-brace/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverGP View Post
    Because a standard AR pistol can't fire with the buffer tube folded, I'd think the measurement would be the end of the buffer tube.

    But I'd still remove any VFG from an AR pistol with a folding buffer tube just in case (since common sense and ATF don't go together)
    LAW Tactical will fire one shot when folded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brutal View Post
    LAW Tactical will fire one shot when folded.
    ARAK will fire as a semi auto with a folded Law.
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    Thank guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by brutal View Post
    Yes, for rifle.

    For pistol, as I understand, the ATF recently posted a letter stating the opposite for any PISTOL that has a brace. Must be measured collapsed (end of buffer) or folded (end of receiver/folding mount).

    https://blog.princelaw.com/2019/07/0...ilizing-brace/
    Yes, this is what got the noodle going and caused me to take out my measuring tape and second guess everything.

    I'm never going to put any barrel < 16" on this upper and don't like VFGs so I'm safe there. Lower was bought as a rifle and will always be a rifle.
    Last edited by Skip; 07-05-2019 at 16:32.
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