Welp 36 is down and out

[Skip]

(only because no one was hurt)

If all the roads into Boulder would fail maybe we could right this ship?

[ChickNorris]

FIM-92



Sorted.

[Skip]

FIM-92

Sorted.

I like yer style.

[Eric P]

At 1st it was thought a shear slope failure was occurring at the toe. You may gave noticed crew hauling in dirt and placing it next to the wall. This was extra dead weight to keep the toe from pivoting.

But it's a not a shear slope failure alone. The wall was sinking, and the initial fix plan would not have worked. The soil is overloaded and collapsing from the extra height of the new wall.

This will be a long fix. Complete reconstruction. They are not worried about blame now, so some lawyers will be getting rich.

The toll company will loose 2-3 months of tolls, and reconstruction costs will need to be allocated to the responsible party. The toll company may be 100% responsible.

Fun, fun.

That's what boulder gets for giving us polis

[roberth]

At 1st it was thought a shear slope failure was occurring at the toe. You may gave noticed crew hauling in dirt and placing it next to the wall. This was extra dead weight to keep the toe from pivoting.

But it's a not a shear slope failure alone. The wall was sinking, and the initial fix plan would not have worked. The soil is overloaded and collapsing from the extra height of the new wall.

This will be a long fix. Complete reconstruction. They are not worried about blame now, so some lawyers will be getting rich.

The toll company will loose 2-3 months of tolls, and reconstruction costs will need to be allocated to the responsible party. The toll company may be 100% responsible.

Fun, fun.

That's what boulder gets for giving us polis

Thanks for the details.

I hope the responsible party and the congresscritter(s) they bought go down.

[BPTactical]

At 1st it was thought a shear slope failure was occurring at the toe. You may gave noticed crew hauling in dirt and placing it next to the wall. This was extra dead weight to keep the toe from pivoting.

But it's a not a shear slope failure alone. The wall was sinking, and the initial fix plan would not have worked. The soil is overloaded and collapsing from the extra height of the new wall.

This will be a long fix. Complete reconstruction. They are not worried about blame now, so some lawyers will be getting rich.

The toll company will loose 2-3 months of tolls, and reconstruction costs will need to be allocated to the responsible party. The toll company may be 100% responsible.

Fun, fun.

That's what boulder gets for giving us polis

See my earlier post regarding groundwater.
When 36 was just 2 lanes of bituminous pavement in each direction CDOT Maintenance battled pavement issues in that area due to groundwater.

But the Engineers never listen to those stupid old Maintenance guys...they dont know nothin...

Funny thing, that lake on the west side of this issue was always a year round lake. It seemed to me that after CDork came in with all the new construction in 2012ish it went to mostly dry except in the spring.

[BPTactical]

Sorry, duplicate post

[DFBrews]

See my earlier post regarding groundwater.
When 36 was just 2 lanes of bituminous pavement in each direction CDOT Maintenance battled pavement issues in that area due to groundwater.

But the Engineers never listen to those stupid old Maintenance guys...they dont know nothin...

Funny thing, that lake on the west side of this issue was always a year round lake. It seemed to me that after CDork came in with all the new construction in 2012ish it went to mostly dry except in the spring.

Have friends very close to the area on the west side of 36 and south that have cattails growing in one corner of the property always been very wet

[iego]

This is a pretty monumental failure of a major roadway system.

The whole 270-36 diagonal seems to have problems.

-John

[Skip]

I'm reading conflicting info on this but seem to recall Hick being really resistant to sharing the details of this deal.

CDOT may have to reimburse tolls during emergency closure of US 36

https://www.9news.com/article/news/l...6-22fbe26ae3df

Plenary Roads Denver, the private company that paid for, designed and constructed half of U.S. 36, currently is under a 50-year contract with the state to collect tolls in an express lane that runs the entire length of highway. The company is also responsible for maintenance and rehabilitation of the roadway, under that contract.

[snip]

Under its contract with CDOT, Plenary can seek reimbursement of average toll revenue if the toll lanes have been temporarily suspended for more than 12 hours. CDOT couldn’t provide an estimate of an average day’s revenue in tolls by the time this article was published.

The company’s spokesman said it was too early to say whether Plenary would seek that sort of reimbursement.

CDOT’s liability for lost toll revenue may all be a semantics issue.

“It appears how US 36 is closed matters,” said Danny Katz, state director of Colorado Public Research Interest Group, COPIRG, who analyzed the initial contract released by CDOT in 2014.

Katz said the contract doesn’t require reimbursement if the lanes are “temporarily ordered to be closed” by law enforcement, a semantic difference that will likely be key as both sides decide financial responsibility for the problem.

Katz INAL AFAIK. The initial closure might be LE mandated (safety) but not the days/weeks/months of rebuilding. This could all be left up to the lawyers (settlement) and I have no idea the scale of this (thousand, millions, ???).

For the state to privatize any portion of a roadway and accept any liability when tolls can't be collected is short bus stupid. Who else gets this kind of deal?