Atlanta Shooting

[Gman]

[fitz19d]

I'm saddened that you need a chart of numbers to understand that not every person's reality matches yours.



This is an entirely different issue. Stop going out of your way to pretend that they are the same thing.

Wishing police would stay home for a week is the same as telling all your friends on Myspace not to buy gas on Tuesday to fight gas prices.

*You probably weren't on Myspace when it came out, but that kind of crap went around often back at that time.

Not every persons reality? You sound like #metoo and every other whackadoodle hard leftist that believes that random ancedotal (and often contrived) examples trump hard facts. Should keep following that crowds thinking, these days they are also busy claiming math is racist.

[Irving]

You know, I bet from another computer what I'm saying does sound like that. That's too bad and I can't think of a better way to express my disagreement. I guess it's just way easier and more comfortable to write off different view points as bullshit than to engage with them. Oh well.

[Gman]

[Bailey Guns]

You know, I bet from another computer what I'm saying does sound like that. That's too bad and I can't think of a better way to express my disagreement. I guess it's just way easier and more comfortable to write off different view points as bullshit than to engage with them. Oh well.

Who's writing off differing viewpoints? If you're talking about BLM, people have been "engaging" with them since the beginning. People at all levels have tried to explain this movement was founded on a lie. There are countless blacks and whites out there who have pointed out the fallacy of the BLM talking points...been doing so for years. The only people writing anything off are the leftists and the BLM people. They've completely written off logical thought, the truth and common sense.

[CS1983]

https://www.lawofficer.com/america-we-are-leaving/

This article has a few good points, but the overarching tone of it was "We dindu nuffin!"; it is, therefore, tone deaf (which is a theme for Maj. Yates in recent years).

For example, in Sacramento (https://i.imgur.com/NDglcu8.mp4), a man was falsely ID'd as having a warrant. Complies with police commands and stands with his hands on his head. Proceeds to then get drop kicked in the back by some tactical retard moron and that sets off a chain of events that leads someone who literally hadn't done anything being charged with resisting arrest. A false arrest, I might add (since, well, the warrant wasn't for him). What are people supposed to think when they see stuff like that? What is a person supposed to do when they are doing everything right and still get drop kicked in the kidneys?

What are people supposed to think when someone like Sgt. Charles Langley is playing some sick game of Simon Says Twister while continually telling the poor bastard he's going to get shot, and another cop on scene, Philip "Mitch" Brailsford, with a completely inappropriate engraving on his AR-15's dust cover (You're Fucked) unloads rounds when a drunk, sobbing, scared for his life person trips while crawling; when all they had to do was tell him to keep his hands up and secure him in cuffs the moment he was in the hall. How do any of us know we won't be the next Daniel Shaver, who did his best to comply under completely ridiculous and contradictory circumstances and was rewarded with being murdered? And then Brailsford not only gets away with it, he now gets a PTSD pension because he murdered someone. What the actual f...?

How do we know we won't be the next John Crawford? Given no time to drop a weapon before the responding officer opens fire, when we have no idea what's going on?

How do we know we won't be the next Philando Castile? Trying to get a wallet out and, having done our duty to inform the cop of the presence of a weapon, get lit up.

Such cops don't have the constitution to wear the uniform and interact with the public.

Are these incidents normative? Of course not. But they have a serious impact on the national consciousness and perception of police.

Just like 1 psychotic break for SSG Robert Bales ruined any possible good being done in Panjwayi Afghanistan, so too does every incident of police brutality, or general dickheadery, erode trust a little more. Every time a police officer approaches someone like an dickhead instead of a person. Every time a cop acts like his badge and gun somehow excuse him from a little human decency, they are the ones who have brought it to where it is now.

Police have a serious public relations problem, and frankly they largely brought it upon themselves. Departments across the nation seem to be about as self-aware as the cretins at 16th Street mall.

As my first Platoon Sergeant said, "You can have 1000 attaboys, but all it takes is one 'ah, shit'."

[Great-Kazoo]

I think we're getting into the weeds here. I'd say that generally when you're not breaking the law, your chances of contact with law enforcement are lower.
I'd say that generally when you do have contact with law enforcement, compliance gets you a better outcome than resistance.

But I'd also say that generally your chances of having a decent encounter with law enforcement in either of the previous two statements goes up when you're white. The statistics might be small (like mass shootings, earthquakes, or terrorist attacks), but when they do happen they are generally serious and people tend to remember. Is that fair enough?

Chances of a better outcome increase based on how you interact with them. Doesn't matter the color of your skin.

in the mid 70's out motorcycle riding, there was continuous unwarranted LE stops on myself and others riding "choppers" Pulled over just because.
Usual drug search, loud pipes, horn not audible enough. Or what we called harassment. Then i was. SO what's the reason for being pulled over now!. Considering your partner stopped me 5 blocks from here for the same bullshit. That usually produced 1-2 more patrol cars, with guns drawn, or blatant hands on gun.

Going forward to the mid 80's (yeah it took 10 yrs) when stopped and asked. Do you know why i pulled you over? Possibly for some traffic infraction. as well as so how's your day going officer, still dealing with idiots who don't obey the speed limit. Or some small talk.

The different between WTF did i do wrong!!, to how's your day going, made the difference between 30 minutes of overt LE presence. Or, i'll let you off with a warning this time.

Same interaction if one of my "hispanic" buddies was driving. Start off polite and it usually ends the same way. Unless they say, Can you step out of the car. After finding out there's a warrant or two out for FTA. Really, who remembers to pay parking tickets?

[00tec]

Charges filed.

1 of them got aggravated assault

The other, 11 charges, including felony murder, and 3 counts agg assault

[hollohas]

I can't recall ever being more disgusted in the criminal justice system than I am right now while listening to the DA lay out the charges against the Atlanta officer. It's sickening how bullshit this is.

The DA has spent a huge amount of time saying how compliant and polite Brooks was. That he was just "peacefully sleeping" in his car. That Brooks didn't argue or fight them. That he didn't threaten the officers. That he wasn't even all that drunk anyway. Literally, the DA is saying Brooks didn't do ANYTHING wrong. No mention of him assaulting officers, twice. No mention of him being a 4 time felon out on parole. No mention of that fact that he jumped the curb when he parked his car.

And instead, the DA says the officers never told Brooks he was under arrest. And the officer wasn't threatened by the taser being fire at him because the prongs went over his head...and because Brooks was 12ft away. That the officers didn't provide timely medical assistance to Brooks (even though there's video of the officer administering CPR and begging Brooks to hold on). That they pinned him down immediately after shooting him.

They are throwing the book at the one officer. 11 or 12 counts. Felony murder, assault, assault on two or three witnesses because their car got hit. Breaking a bunch of department policies, etc.

This is outrageous.

EDIT to add:
Devin Brosnan, the 2nd officer who is a complete turd, who is seen in the video being a complete pantywaste while Brooks is resisting arrest and assaulting them, who managed to get his taser stolen because he failed to deploy it aggressively ultimately leading to the officer Rolfe needing to defend himself...has turned state witness.

[00tec]

The fucking DA said "We've concluded, at the time Mr Brooks was shot, that he did not pose an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or officers."

YET, about 3 weeks ago, THE SAME DA charged 6 other officers with aggravated assault for using a taser on someone, which, by statute has to include use of a deadly weapon, threat of serious bodily injury, intent to rape, rob, or murder, or discharging a firearm from a vehicle.

Cant have it both ways bucko.