California Prop 8 Overturned By Openly Gay Judge

[DeusExMachina]

Please show me where in the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights that defines a clear separation of church and state. Some of our founders were very religious and used their particular religion to influence them while writing our beloved Constitution and Bill of Rights. Also I don't get why you are so against religion, yet all for gay "marriage". I'm not a very religious person, but I do have respect for the church and a persons religious beliefs. I also believe that homosexuality is completely wrong. My opinion, If they want to call their relationship a "civil union" fine. Don't call it a marriage. As stated earlier, marriage is a religious experience. Most churches do not support gays.

The 1st Amendment. A term originally used by Thomas Jefferson, and defined by the Supreme Court. Have fun reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separat...urch_and_state

I don't see anyone's sexuality as right or wrong, especially based upon Christianity's definition of right and wrong. Homosexuality doesn't affect me in any way, and neither does gay marriage. I think its wrong to condemn someone for being the way they are, or for doing what makes them happy (as long as it does not affect anyone else).

Maybe its because I'm not religious, but I don't see any difference between "civil union" and "marriage".

I also see no issue with someone being gay and religious. Plenty of people are gay and religious, some of them hide the former for the sake of the latter. Is that more right than being openly (I don't mean flaming, that shit is irritating) gay and religious?

[jmg8550]

The 1st Amendment. A term originally used by Thomas Jefferson, and defined by the Supreme Court. Have fun reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separat...urch_and_state

I don't see anyone's sexuality as right or wrong, especially based upon Christianity's definition of right and wrong. Homosexuality doesn't affect me in any way, and neither does gay marriage. I think its wrong to condemn someone for being the way they are, or for doing what makes them happy (as long as it does not affect anyone else).

Maybe its because I'm not religious, but I don't see any difference between "civil union" and "marriage".

I also see no issue with someone being gay and religious. Plenty of people are gay and religious, some of them hide the former for the sake of the latter. Is that more right than being openly (I don't mean flaming, that shit is irritating) gay and religious?

The meaning of the separation of church and state is that the government cannot control what religion a person practices. Not separating religion from government. If a person wants to pray in school, let them. It's not against the law. And onece again, "marriage" is the union between a man and a woman, period, end of statement.

[ghettodub]

I couldn't really give a shit. It doesn't have any effect on me, as I'm not gay and I don't live in California. It doesn't change my rights any, so meh...

[Ranger]

I couldn't really give a shit. It doesn't have any effect on me, as I'm not gay and I don't live in California. It doesn't change my rights any, so meh...

True enough, but if it flies in California, Colorado will be VERY soon to follow.

[ghettodub]

True enough, but if it flies in California, Colorado will be VERY soon to follow.

Very true, as we do tend to follow California for many things. But really, I'm still not seeing how it effects me in any way. I'm not getting in to any debates on religion, etc either on this matter, as I respect other's rights to believe what they want.

But if someone can give me a good answer on how this would have an impact on me, as a straight male, then I would love to hear it.

[Byte Stryke]

Very true, as we do tend to follow California for many things. But really, I'm still not seeing how it effects me in any way. I'm not getting in to any debates on religion, etc either on this matter, as I respect other's rights to believe what they want.

But if someone can give me a good answer on how this would have an impact on me, as a straight male, then I would love to hear it.

I'm like you, Straight Male, Married, Happy.

It wont have any Impact on us except that the homophobic fear-mongers would have you believe that if Gays and lesbians are allowed to marry it would mark the end of western civilization and the collapse of the free world.
They want you to think it would give license and Gays and Lesbians would be hovering over schoolyards sexually assaulting children and molesting farm animals.
Because, you know, The Book from the invisible man in the sky says Homosexuality is perverse and deviant behavior. My Question is, "For whom?"

Oh, And as far as not getting into any debates on Religion, That wont work as it seems to be the entirety of the argument against it.

[DeusExMachina]

The meaning of the separation of church and state is that the government cannot control what religion a person practices. Not separating religion from government. If a person wants to pray in school, let them. It's not against the law. And onece again, "marriage" is the union between a man and a woman, period, end of statement.

What you think it means is different from what the Supreme Court thinks it means. A person praying in school is different from preventing two people from being married because a religion is opposed to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_Test#Lemon_test

Oh, and don't look up the definition of "marriage" in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Its just going to piss you off.

[Byte Stryke]

What you think it means is different from what the Supreme Court thinks it means. A person praying in school is different from preventing two people from being married because a religion is opposed to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_Test#Lemon_test

Oh, and don't look up the definition of "marriage" in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Its just going to piss you off.

Because I like to scare the religious right

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>

[BushMasterBoy]

A recent survey showed that 95% of gay men were born that way...and the other 5% were just sucked into it!

[mitch]

The only way to stop gays from having sex is to get them married.

It works for hetero couples....should work for them, too.