California Prop 8 Overturned By Openly Gay Judge

[Anton]

it is not a "motorcycle" or a union between people of like genders or even farm animals. If you want those things, fine, whatever, but don't try to call it marriage - because it isn't.

Apparently, in the Middle East, they call it "practice".

[Irving]

This is what I get from your post Ginsue.

1) You don't think it's right for people to ride motorcycles.
2) Being gay is the same as having sex with animals.
3) The second part completely negates your position on the first part.

[theGinsue]

The farm animal point just shows the hypocrisy of the pro-gay position. They want to remove the lines of what is considered okay, but still hold other things off-limits? Using their common rebuttal: "thats just bigoted".

When you blur the lines of what is acceptable, where do you stop? If you say that something should now be considered acceptable, but not this other thing, how is that any more right than what you stand against?

As far as the "You don't think it's right for people to ride motorcycles." crack - I get that you were going for humor, but.. My point is that a car and a motorcycle are not the same - just as heterosexual and homosexual unions are not the same and they shouldn't be classed the same. As far as whether I think either one is "right", I am not declaring right or wrong for either. In fact, I personally believe that marriage is the surest way to screw up a perfectly good relationship.

[Irving]

I was trying to point out that you used a comparison of different but equal in the first part, but then switch to different but lower in the second part. <3

[jmg8550]

The 1st Amendment. A term originally used by Thomas Jefferson, and defined by the Supreme Court. Have fun reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separat...urch_and_state

I don't see anyone's sexuality as right or wrong, especially based upon Christianity's definition of right and wrong. Homosexuality doesn't affect me in any way, and neither does gay marriage. I think its wrong to condemn someone for being the way they are, or for doing what makes them happy (as long as it does not affect anyone else).

Maybe its because I'm not religious, but I don't see any difference between "civil union" and "marriage".

I also see no issue with someone being gay and religious. Plenty of people are gay and religious, some of them hide the former for the sake of the latter. Is that more right than being openly (I don't mean flaming, that shit is irritating) gay and religious?

The meaning of the separation of church and state is that the government cannot control what religion a person practices. Not separating religion from government. If a person wants to pray in school, let them. It's not against the law. And onece again, "marriage" is the union between a man and a woman, period, end of statement.

[ghettodub]

I couldn't really give a shit. It doesn't have any effect on me, as I'm not gay and I don't live in California. It doesn't change my rights any, so meh...

[DeusExMachina]

The meaning of the separation of church and state is that the government cannot control what religion a person practices. Not separating religion from government. If a person wants to pray in school, let them. It's not against the law. And onece again, "marriage" is the union between a man and a woman, period, end of statement.

What you think it means is different from what the Supreme Court thinks it means. A person praying in school is different from preventing two people from being married because a religion is opposed to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_Test#Lemon_test

Oh, and don't look up the definition of "marriage" in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Its just going to piss you off.

[Ranger]

I couldn't really give a shit. It doesn't have any effect on me, as I'm not gay and I don't live in California. It doesn't change my rights any, so meh...

True enough, but if it flies in California, Colorado will be VERY soon to follow.

[Byte Stryke]

The farm animal point just shows the hypocrisy of the pro-gay position. They want to remove the lines of what is considered okay, but still hold other things off-limits? Using their common rebuttal: "thats just bigoted".

When you blur the lines of what is acceptable, where do you stop? If you say that something should now be considered acceptable, but not this other thing, how is that any more right than what you stand against?

As far as the "You don't think it's right for people to ride motorcycles." crack - I get that you were going for humor, but.. My point is that a car and a motorcycle are not the same - just as heterosexual and homosexual unions are not the same and they shouldn't be classed the same. As far as whether I think either one is "right", I am not declaring right or wrong for either. In fact, I personally believe that marriage is the surest way to screw up a perfectly good relationship.

Well if you are going to say that Homosexual and Heterosexual Marriages arent the same whats to prevent the line from being moved even further to say that All white marriages aren't the same as Interracial Marriages? That "Slippery slope" argument made about Bestiality and Pedophilia following can be made the other way. Or How about Inter-faith Marriages... Because you Know, in the Bible it says:
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)."

I mean Pagans/Jews and Christians married together!?!, its BLASPHEMY!
Lets outlaw interfaith Marriage too then and anull all existing Interfaith Marriages, Because the book of the invisible man in the sky says so! /sarcasm


Personally, I believe the line is clearly and distinctly drawn at "Whomever one or more consenting adults wish to Choose as their partners in life is no ones business but their own so long as everyone involved is a consenting adult."

If a Gay White Jewish Guy wants to Marry a Bi-Hispanic Catholic that is already Married to a straight Asian Buddhist Woman and none of them Cares, whose business is it to say its "Wrong"?
The Jewish Guy just becomes wife #2.
Simple.

[Byte Stryke]

What you think it means is different from what the Supreme Court thinks it means. A person praying in school is different from preventing two people from being married because a religion is opposed to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_Test#Lemon_test

Oh, and don't look up the definition of "marriage" in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. Its just going to piss you off.

Because I like to scare the religious right

Main Entry: mar&#183;riage
Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2 : an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3 : an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry — J. T. Shawcross>