Officer shooting in Arvada

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Hurley was CCWing, left the safety of the army surplus store, told some diners nearby the shooter was coming their way and then engaged him. Hurley got 5-6 shots off. He was then shot and killed. They not saying by whom, which leads to the thought that I may be bad.

[rondog]

Hurley was CCWing, left the safety of the army surplus store, told some diners nearby the shooter was coming their way and then engaged him. Hurley got 5-6 shots off. He was then shot and killed. They not saying by whom, which leads to the thought that I may be bad.

Yeah, saw that on the 7 news. Didn't know if he was "shot by the BG or shot by the police".......

If you're in this situation - HOLSTER YOUR DAMN WEAPON ASAP!!!

[colorider]

I'm in the same thought process as BP.

[.455_Hunter]

More information...

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...de-town-arvada

Still not clear on the effectiveness of Hurley's engagement or if Hurley was killed by the perp or responding LE.

[Bailey Guns]

Not speculating on what happened. But, I always taught in my CCW classes to be a good witness and only step in with your gun if your life, or the life of someone you really cared about, was in immediate danger. Too many chances for unintended consequences to jump up and bite you in the ass. That's not about being a coward. It's about thinking clearly and doing what's best for you and your loved ones. Once you get involved in a gunfight the outcome can't be guaranteed. Your opponent doesn't have to be good...just lucky. Responding officers may see you as a threat. Witnesses may report you as the man shooting at others (which you are, in reality). People don't always know the entire story...responding officers have probably heard 3 or 4 versions of what's going on.

Be a good witness. Protect yourself and others. Hurley is dead. That can't be changed. But I sincerely hope this man didn't lose his life at the hands of responding officers...that would just make a horrific incident even more horrific.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I totally understand that line of reasoning about not engaging. The reality might be a little harder. I know undercover cops get shot by uniformed officers. But in this day of CCW, at least for now, Cops have to realize that these are complex situations. Someone without a uniform but with a gun May not necessarily be a bad guy.

[Great-Kazoo]

I totally understand that line of reasoning about not engaging. The reality might be a little harder. I know undercover cops get shot by uniformed officers. But in this day of CCW, at least for now, Cops have to realize that these are complex situations. Someone without a uniform but with a gun May not necessarily be a bad guy.

Curious how you can tell the difference between the good guy and bad. When they barely have seconds, if that, to determine if a person with a gun, running in their direction Is a threat, or not.
Clearly you've not been in this situation, where the judgement call could drop an innocent bystander, or off duty cop.

[eddiememphis]

What are the laws, if there are any, about the responsibility and actions of a permit holder?

The guy left the store, looking for the shooter. He shot the alleged bad guy five or six times. Is this legal? Since he sought the bad guy, was he actually in imminent danger?

I have heard (not sure if it's correct) that permit holders are required to assist police. Are they required to act as police when there are not any around?

[Brass]

No, there are no such requirements at all. And "assisting police" is an effective way to get killed by the police or another "assistant".

[.455_Hunter]

The media coverage on this is interesting.

KMGH has the update about Hurley shooting the perp as their lead story.

No mention of him engaging the perp with a weapon on the other news sites, unless I am missing something.