Islam Perversion My Butt!

[ChunkyMonkey]

Happy Friday Everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

My latest comment on this topic,

1. STOP BRINGING IN CHRISTIAN VS MUSLIM. BOSNIA war etc etc etc at the end US and NATO helped the muslim. This is about ISLAM VS FREE WORLD! Not muslims, not christian, the theology and hard core belief of ISLAM itself are DANGEROUS. I have not been convinced otherwise!

2. Qu'Ran vs Bible: Again, Bible is a collection of writings that span years. Some of its content contradict itself. Qu-Ran on the other hand is written by Nabi Muhammad, who wrote it as set of commands and rules in which devout Muslims must follow. In the beginning of Qu'Ran there are phrases that the muslim should respect the Christians etc, however the 2nd half of it commands pretty much the destruction of all Kafirs. This part scares the shit out of me personally. How would one believe in this? Oh yeah perhaps those cartoons I watched about killing the jews and christian in order to go to 'heaven.' And this happened in supposedly very moderate muslim country, a US ally.

3. Play nice, enjoy your friday!

[68Charger]

My latest comment on this topic,

did you mean to say LAST?

1. STOP BRINGING IN CHRISTIAN VS MUSLIM. BOSNIA war etc etc etc at the end US and NATO helped the muslim. This is about ISLAM VS FREE WORLD! Not muslims, not christian, the theology and hard core belief of ISLAM itself are DANGEROUS. I have not been convinced otherwise!

I would be unable to convince you (or anyone) otherwise- I'll jump on the bandwagon that any religion contradicting free will by imposing their beliefs on anyone does not have my support (more on that later).

2. Qu'Ran vs Bible: Again, Bible is a collection of writings that span years. Some of its content contradict itself. Qu-Ran on the other hand is written by Nabi Muhammad, who wrote it as set of commands and rules in which devout Muslims must follow. In the beginning of Qu'Ran there are phrases that the muslim should respect the Christians etc, however the 2nd half of it commands pretty much the destruction of all Kafirs. This part scares the shit out of me personally. How would one believe in this? Oh yeah perhaps those cartoons I watched about killing the jews and christian in order to go to 'heaven.' And this happened in supposedly very moderate muslim country, a US ally.

Because the bible is a collection of writings (or books), that span many years, contradictions are going to occur, as circumstances change (i.e. OLD vs NEW testament) I have not read the Qu'Ran, but regardless of what any book says, man (under the influence of Evil) will pervert it (either intentionally or unintentionally) to suit their agenda/cause/needs/wants. If they want to peacefully believe whatever they want to believe, that is their right- as soon as they force it upon someone else, I'll take issue with it...

It again comes down to free will: Why would God want an involuntary subject? He desires the love & admiration of his followers- someone who is forced to practice a religion has no such love or admiration, they're simply going through the motions to prevent harm from coming to themselves or those that they do love... so anybody that is forcing a religion on someone is serving their own purposes, not those of God...

This is where religious wars come from- not from the will of God, but from the will of men using God's name in an attempt to justify their actions. Whether it was Muhammad who commands the evil, or other men's interpretation of the Qu'Ran that commands the evil is irrelevant- Muhammad was a man, a Prophet according to the Qu'Ran, but he is NOT God- so anything he "commands" in his writings would be subject to the flaws of man, and could be influenced by evil... as could the writings of anyone who wrote, translated, or quotes the bible (especially out of context) Many Christian denominations believe that the bible is the irrefutable word of God- to which I would ask: Which translation? Even the original text does not have the same meaning to anyone today, as language is a creation of Man, and is therefore fallible.

3. Play nice, enjoy your friday!

I'm not sure anyone wants to play with this topic anymore..

[BigBear]

Again, Bible is a collection of writings that span years. Some of its content contradict itself.

Please show me this and your reasonings of why you think any part of the Bible contradicts itself. And yes, I've read both the Bible and Qu'ran (English version obvisouly) cover to cover.

[Byte Stryke]

Happy Friday Everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

My latest comment on this topic,

1. STOP BRINGING IN CHRISTIAN VS MUSLIM. BOSNIA war etc etc etc at the end US and NATO helped the muslim. This is about ISLAM VS FREE WORLD! Not muslims, not christian, the theology and hard core belief of ISLAM itself are DANGEROUS. I have not been convinced otherwise!

It is about the twisting and corruption of faith.
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation is possible."

2. Qu'Ran vs Bible: Again, Bible is a collection of writings that span years. Some of its content contradict itself. Qu-Ran on the other hand is written by Nabi Muhammad, who wrote it as set of commands and rules in which devout Muslims must follow. In the beginning of Qu'Ran there are phrases that the muslim should respect the Christians etc, however the 2nd half of it commands pretty much the destruction of all Kafirs. This part scares the shit out of me personally. How would one believe in this? Oh yeah perhaps those cartoons I watched about killing the jews and christian in order to go to 'heaven.' And this happened in supposedly very moderate muslim country, a US ally.

The entirety of my point was trying to explain that the points of argument made against Islam and the quotes therein also exist in many other theologies and doctrines, to include "Orthodox Christian" (Thats why I Quoted the verses.)
I remember as a kid watching a "cartoon" in Sunday school about Stoning Prostitutes and Witches to death.
I'm not saying one is better or worse than the other, I am trying to point out exactly the opposite. Churches of ALL Disciplines have been corrupted at one time or another and to varying degrees of evil.

Nothing to do if I think 9/11 was perpetrated by the CIA or Masaad or Al-Qaeda

3. Play nice, enjoy your friday!

If I could sell the stuff I have up for sale, I could afford ammo and I wouldn't be in the forums. I would be enjoying my Friday on a range!

[Anton]

The Qur'an, by the way, DOES NOT contradict itself. For people unfamiliar with Islam it seems to, because much of the beginning is about peace and love, while much of the later text is about killing the infidels. However, in Islam, the later writings abrogate the earlier ones where they conflict. This means that all the peace and happiness surahs are there only for reference, it has been abrogated by the later surahs.

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

[Anton]

Also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

[ChunkyMonkey]

Please show me this and your reasonings of why you think any part of the Bible contradicts itself. And yes, I've read both the Bible and Qu'ran (English version obvisouly) cover to cover.

That's a whole other thread. The one that bothers me the most however is Exodus 15:3 and Roman 15:33. Bible however is series of stories - I understand how some contradict due to out of context.

This is where religious wars come from- not from the will of God, but from the will of men using God's name in an attempt to justify their actions. Whether it was Muhammad who commands the evil, or other men's interpretation of the Qu'Ran that commands the evil is irrelevant- Muhammad was a man, a Prophet according to the Qu'Ran, but he is NOT God- so anything he "commands" in his writings would be subject to the flaws of man, and could be influenced by evil

By your admission Islam is a false religion then? Everything in Qu-Ran is written by Muhammad and noone else.

I remember as a kid watching a "cartoon" in Sunday school about Stoning Prostitutes and Witches to death.

To watch the current events in cartoon with the evil/satan being potrayed by the US and Israeli constantly is a method of brainwashing the young IMHO.

I know I know.. we should end this topic.

[theGinsue]

I thought somebody told me this is a free country?And for order for that to be true;one of the ways is to practice religious tolerance.

Your understanding of having freedoms is flawed. Yes, we are "free" to choose and practice our religions as we see fit - insofar as the government can do or say nothing to effect those choices. But, having those freedoms does NOT mean that every othger U.S. citizen has to tolerate your choice.

This is just like your right to freedom of speech. The government isn't supposed to be able to stop you from saying your piece, but that doesn't mean that, if your words disturb someone else that they won't come bust you in the chops for it.

ETA:

Religious tolerance has nothing to do with promoting hatred, stoning, jihad, and matyrdom.

Back to what I was saying, growing up in a muslim country, I think many people here do not understand how dangerous Islam is to the free world.

I fully agree with the first statement and wish to add that with every expression of freedom also comes responsibility. The responsibility of ensuring that exercising your freedoms don't infringe upon the rights of others to exercise their rights. The Muslim religion DOES promote such infringement, even if not every Muslim chooses to express their faith in that manner.

Regarding the second statement, * I * understand this very well, and with the direction things are going, I am afraid!

[BigBear]

That's a whole other thread. The one that bothers me the most however is Exodus 15:3 and Roman 15:33. Bible however is series of stories - I understand how some contradict due to out of context.

If you'd like me to explain via PM so we don't drag out this thread any longer, I'd love to talk to you. I promise I won't prothelylize, just want to make sure you understand how in MY opinion, the Bible does NOT contradict itself... And I might be able to throw some interesting Biblical/archaelogical history your way too.

[theGinsue]

Bear, I believe what MB888 is saying is that the Bible can appear to contradict itself if you only take a verse from here and there and not entire passages. That can lead to the appearance of biblical contradictions. However, if you use entire passages and in some cases entire books of the Bible, there are no contradictions.

At least, I believe that is what MB888 was trying to say.