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    Quote Originally Posted by Singlestack View Post
    Where's your evidence of that. Or is it just unfounded opinion?
    Can't say he's too wrong. Tons of our own arsenal and aircraft are in inop condition even things such as the F22 and F35. With things like mine-resistant vehicles it's too expensive to ship back especially if it is for scrap. There is no question a proportion of the vehicles are inoperable when we (or more appropriately, the paper afghan army) left them.

    That said, I suspect a majority of the equipment is serviceable and most of it sources from the mostly-paper afgan army. Peoples perspective (especially liberal) of "aww, it doesn't matter, our stuff breaks down so fast they won't be able to use it" ignores the fact that these people are out driving around in vehicles that 100% would've been in US junkyards 15 years ago. Shit might be wired together and taped, parts might be cobbled together with junkyard sheet metal and tac welds, but they do in fact keep things running a long time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    Peoples perspective (especially liberal) of "aww, it doesn't matter, our stuff breaks down so fast they won't be able to use it" ignores the fact that these people are out driving around in vehicles that 100% would've been in US junkyards 15 years ago. Shit might be wired together and taped, parts might be cobbled together with junkyard sheet metal and tac welds, but they do in fact keep things running a long time...
    It seems common that the people of the area are viewed as uneducated and backward. Some may be, and the term "educated" can be debated, but I will tell you that there is plenty of sharp and capable people there who have learned to solve problems in unique ways to keep life moving forward. Their skills are different, the way they tackle an problem is different, but they can get it done. Much of our maintenance systems are to limit liability and foster better responsibility, and has little to nothing to do with how that equipment will function in the field. For someone with nothing, a device that works 25% of the time is invaluable. For a US serviceman, less than 100% of the time is unacceptable. If you really have doubts about the ingenuity of the "uneducated masses" in this region, there are plenty of videos on youtube of the paki weapons manufacturers, guys rebuilding truck engines in the street, all kinds of stuff we would shake our heads at and refer to as meth inspired if done here in the US. There is alot we should be learning about how they have creatively solved problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clodhopper View Post
    Get em while you can.

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    Think they take care of customs? Or is that on the buyer?

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    The US military says it permanently disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft before leaving Kabul so they could 'never be used again'

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    [https://i-insider-com]A view of the C-17 Globemaster preparing to depart from the Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, on August 29.?MARCUS YAM / LOS ANGELES TIMES via Getty Images

    The last manned US military aircraft departed the airport in Kabul on Monday.

    The US disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft when the military departed, a US general said.

    The Taliban captured an arsenal of operational US-made weapons when it defeated the Afghan army.

    The last manned US military aircraft have departed Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, ending almost two decades of war in Afghanistan, Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie, the head of US Central Command, said on Monday afternoon.
    Asked about military equipment left behind at the airport, McKenzie said that some was brought out. Other systems, he said, were "demilitarized," meaning US forces purposely broke them to prevent them from being used, CENTCOM clarified for Insider.
    The counter rocket, artillery, and mortar systems, which were used to fend off a rocket attack on the airport on Monday, were kept online until the last minute and then demilitarized.
    "We demilitarized those systems so that they'll never be used again," McKenzie said. "We felt it more important to protect our forces than to bring those systems back."

    The general further explained that demilitarized equipment included 70 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles "that will never again be used by anyone," 27 Humvees "that will never be driven again," and 73 aircraft that "will never fly again." Many of the aircraft were not mission capable anyway.
    "They'll never be able to be operated by anyone again," the CENTCOM commander said.
    McKenzie added that some systems, such as fire trucks and front-end loaders, were left operational so that the airport could restart operations as soon as possible.
    Even if the Taliban, which rapidly seized control of Afghanistan earlier this month in a sweeping offensive, is unable to use any of the systems the US military did not take with it when it departed the Kabul airport, the group has been able to get its hands on plenty of other working systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    The US military says it permanently disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft before leaving Kabul so they could 'never be used again'
    Good! Seems like a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers of vehicles left behind. But I will take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    The US military says it permanently disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft before leaving Kabul so they could 'never be used again'

    Ryan Pickrell

    Aug 30, 2021, 6:23 PM


    [https://i-insider-com]A view of the C-17 Globemaster preparing to depart from the Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, on August 29.?MARCUS YAM / LOS ANGELES TIMES via Getty Images

    The last manned US military aircraft departed the airport in Kabul on Monday.

    The US disabled over 150 vehicles and aircraft when the military departed, a US general said.

    The Taliban captured an arsenal of operational US-made weapons when it defeated the Afghan army.

    The last manned US military aircraft have departed Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, ending almost two decades of war in Afghanistan, Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie, the head of US Central Command, said on Monday afternoon.
    Asked about military equipment left behind at the airport, McKenzie said that some was brought out. Other systems, he said, were "demilitarized," meaning US forces purposely broke them to prevent them from being used, CENTCOM clarified for Insider.
    The counter rocket, artillery, and mortar systems, which were used to fend off a rocket attack on the airport on Monday, were kept online until the last minute and then demilitarized.
    "We demilitarized those systems so that they'll never be used again," McKenzie said. "We felt it more important to protect our forces than to bring those systems back."

    The general further explained that demilitarized equipment included 70 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles "that will never again be used by anyone," 27 Humvees "that will never be driven again," and 73 aircraft that "will never fly again." Many of the aircraft were not mission capable anyway.
    "They'll never be able to be operated by anyone again," the CENTCOM commander said.
    McKenzie added that some systems, such as fire trucks and front-end loaders, were left operational so that the airport could restart operations as soon as possible.
    Even if the Taliban, which rapidly seized control of Afghanistan earlier this month in a sweeping offensive, is unable to use any of the systems the US military did not take with it when it departed the Kabul airport, the group has been able to get its hands on plenty of other working systems.
    At least 1 of the Blackhawks is flying. The photo of the Afghan hung at the end of a rope on one of our birds really makes that statement ring hollow.
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