Islam Perversion My Butt!

[rockhound]

Of course it's relevant. Your angle seemed to be "look what happens if we get all pc and wishy-washy" so the fact that a government that a lot of you would consider to be hard-core Stalinists because they're left of centre actually took the decidedly un-PC and anti First Amendment step of saying "this organization is now illegal and if you're a member, you're a criminal" renders your point moot.

If you were trying to demonstrate how Britain is slowly turning into an Islamic state because they're too soft on Muslims, you couldn't have chosen a worse example than an organization that hardly anyone was a member of, that did absolutely nothing other than release a few statements designed to garner attention, that everyone spoke out against (including other Muslims) and that was banned by the government.

you know you and i have had discussions similar to this before, and that is my point to some extent. the fact that you do not see the importance in every event is the problem.the fact is that these small tolerances keep happening over and over in the name of PCness and as they do our beliefs, our safety and our freedoms are being compromised by the attitudes that you seem to be infatuated with.

the irrelevance of any one act, event or incident can be waived off as being insignificant. taken as a whole they are dangerous and to simply waive them off as unimportant is again naive to a fault.

you are voluntarily burying your head in the sand which is exactly what they are counting on.

all of us (those that oppose the proliferation of islam within our borders) have already conceded that not every muslim is dangerous, but that doesn't seem to have hit home with you. no one is arguing that every muslim is a terrorist, but whenever someone shows even one of the ten thousand acts they have perpetrated as an example of how they are a threat you have some touchy feely reason why it should be ignored.

this discussion is moot as you have made up your mind to be overly tolerant. trying to be everyone's friend just doesn't work. they (again not every muslim) don't want to be your friend they ( the extremists) would just as soon see you and you family dead than speak to you. if you think that this is not true then you are already defeated.

[jake]

Perhaps you can explain what should have been done then? If banning the organization and criminalizing all of its members is too tolerant and PC for you, what would you suggest? Cutting off their hands? Stoning them? Offering them the choice of conversion or death?

And when did I suggest that the event was unimportant? Clearly it's a very important event as it demonstrates that a wishy-washy, PC government of a country that (according to some here) is a generation away from being an Islamic state took a stand against Islamic extremists and said "we will not accept this happening within our own borders."

The problem is, you don't actually know what I think (other than that not every Muslim is an extremist, which you've just admitted you agree with) because it's easier for you to assume I think they're all misunderstood and we should just convert now to make it nice and painless.

[HBARleatherneck]

, all liberals are anti-gun, .

i would say you have made it clear that this statement is not true.

[rockhound]

I am not advocating anything of the sort. I do not wish to convert anyone I would have to have a religion to convert them to which I do not.

This discussion began on page one with Col. West defining or enemy pointedly and with eloquence. It then continued with persons who were defending the right of muslims in this country.

my point is and has always remained that their practices are dangerous. to continue to allow them to gain political and or cultural influence in our country is a serious problem.

[Elhuero]

these muslims that are pushing this mosque and spouting about rights seem to have conveniently forgotten the fact that they live in a country that interred the japanese during WWII.

they'd better convince their brother's sister's cousins twice removed to cool it with the terror planning.

if more americans die a la 9/11 they will be unhappy campers, constitution or no.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Perhaps you can explain what should have been done then? If banning the organization and criminalizing all of its members is too tolerant and PC for you, what would you suggest? Cutting off their hands? Stoning them? Offering them the choice of conversion or death?

No, silly Jake. But we don't have to hug and embrace them as our brother and sister and welcome them into our home. We ID them as threat and treat them as such. Again... only MHO. Until today, the DHS cannot pin down a profile of future Islamic terror threat, why? Because they range from a US citizen - non devout, alcohol drinking, pork eating muslim to hard core fresh off the Al Qaeda training camp in the middle of no where. To me it's clear, ANY Islam followers could decide he/she could be the true Muslim and go out in a bang in desperate situation.

Bear, I believe what MB888 is saying is that the Bible can appear to contradict itself if you only take a verse from here and there and not entire passages. That can lead to the appearance of biblical contradictions. However, if you use entire passages and in some cases entire books of the Bible, there are no contradictions.

Thanks Ginsue. You hit the spot.

[Irving]

To me it's clear, ANY Islam followers could decide he/she could be the true Muslim and go out in a bang in desperate situation.

Anyone who's been to college can tell you that ANY college student could decide to become an ecoterrorist and burn down a ski resort.

I understand what you are saying, and how you are feeling, but treating everyone based on "could be's" can create more problems than it solves.

[Troublco]

Wow, this went a lot longer than I thought it would. A lot of good discussion going on. And a lot of arguing. I do think MB888 has a point; look at Ft. Hood. An Army officer, Doctor for that matter, who happened to be muslim of Middle Eastern descent, who came to the conclusion that his religion took precedence over the laws of the country he was a citizen of and of the oath he took when he (voluntarily) joined. Not saying all would do what he did, but obviously it is a possibility that the same could happen again.

I do agree, one of the greatest thing about our Country is freedom of religion. I will make the observation that it is freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. We all have the freedom to choose our own, we don't have the right to prevent others from the free expression of theirs. If a child wants to pray in school, that's their business. It isn't someone's business to tell that child they can't. Even though some seem to think it is.

[ERNO]

Hence the stoning and murders of the younger generation even here in US, no? Even some converting muslims from the western world are known to fight his/her own fellow countrymen in the name of Islam. Where have you been?

I think there are two main groups of people here in the U.S.I believe one group believes in the constitional rights of people here in the U.S.I think that the other group believes that if you are not a "Christian",you do not stand up to the "ideals"and "principles",of the United States of America. My question to you is, even though you may not agree with it o you believe the Muslims have the right to build a cultural center,with a prayer room,two blocks from "911 GROUND ZERO"?

[ERNO]

"Extremist" attacks against us have been going on for a long time.

At the heart of the matter is israel. The muslim extremists hate us and want to kill us because we support the zionist, imperial oppression of the jews.

Many of the americans that support "palestine" (palestinian is a buzzword they are syrians) are liberal products of liberal university indoctrination who 100 years ago would have been thoroughly anti-semitic.

well, they still are thoroughly anti-semitic, but in today's politically correct world it's much better for them to be pro "palestine" (who are anti-israel) rather than just being anti-israel.

But every once in a while one will let their facade slip and show their true colors e.g. Helen Thomas.

show me a white, english speaking supporter of of "palestine" and you show me someone who deep down would be A-OK with the extermination of every jewish person. (either that or they're tappin' a muslim) It's not a pretty or nice sentiment. Which is why they keep it hidden. A deception which conveniently enough muslims are allowed by allah to do to further his religion.

MB888 made a great post about how bad the syrians in gaza are suffering. But they want the world to think they are struggling and suffering.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8ANySuSuk

calling people against the ground zero mosque 'bigots' is a red herring.

just like calling people for the AZ immigration law racists.

it's a cacophony of noise designed to intimidate and silence.

if you're an american muslim and think you're getting a raw deal in racist and bigoted U.S.A I invite you to expatriate your ass elsewhere or shut the fuck up.

I think you are so much B.S.