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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob
Under $5000 beater w/ high mileage, I will have to go with high MPG ICE vehicle as well at today's market.
Let's not exaggerate. I've told you before that I regularly drive back from Tucson in a single day. Doing that via EV would turn the return into a 2-day trip. I take regular rest stops but I don't want to pend 45 minutes or more charging/fueling up.
I got an EV (not a Tesla) as a loaner one holiday weekend last summer (recent enough for you?). Thought this was great until the meter got down below 50 miles and I looked around for a place to recharge. I got to a public Type 3 charger and -- after waiting for 2 other people to get their hour charge in -- spent an hour getting the battery back up to about 1/3 capacity. It cost me about 25% more than 16 gallons of premium gas for less than half the mileage I could have got in the fun car. That decided me right then and there that I'm taking an EV -- even as a loaner -- until there is much wider availability of quicker charging or I'm in a house with its own Type 2 charger. Putting a Type 2 in my house would be relatively inexpensive but I have no need for one unless or until I decide to get an EV.
I'd certainly be more amenable to an EV if I were living back in Hawaii but of course there's no such thing as a long road trip there and there are environmental concerns there that aren't applicable here.
As far as point 1 goes, the fact of the matter is that you lose significant battery capacity in cold temperatures. That loss is far more than "slightly" decreased range -- the decrease may or may not be relevant depending on your driving during that period but you are really understating the effect. Similarly, you're overstating impact of preheating the car for 2-3 minutes by opening your app versus preheating a ICE car for a little bit longer (and not taking into account the relative effect on the vehicle's range after preheating). Again, if your driving pattern is short distances between recharges then the effect on the vehicle's range is irrelevant. If you have to worry about refilling an empty tank in the winter (I typically don't let the tank get that low in winter) versus recharging the battery at home every night, it's actually a plus for the EV but the driving pattern really matters.
In summary, I would say "not practical" is based on individual situation and NOT a misperception for most as you claim.
From the other thread:
All prime issues for me. And add that I, not infrequently either, travel to remote locations that require an additional tank on the bed to get there and back. Part of my life might work an EV even with poor recharge options in rural weld county, but the other part is an absolute no-go at this time/technology.1. Weather is very cold (lithium batteries are stored cold when they want to put batteries into "hibernation")
2. Long distance driving involved
3. Trailer towing or heavy loads (especially with long distances).
The lack of used cars in the EV market is just a matter of time. Mostly only new available at the moment, but as time moves on, the owners who need that newest model will trade up and the used market will grow. And I suspect the EV market has a good selection of owners who absolutely need the newest out there to keep up with the Kardashians next door.
I cant wait till the hammered EV hoopties start showing up with Youtube DIY battery regen tricks and whatnot. That'll be awesome!
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I live in a condo. I do not have a garage. What will it cost to have chargers installed for 96 parking spots? Until then, where would I charge it?
I drive a lot doing home inspections so I would want a full charge every morning. The nearest charging station is four miles away. That is not practical for me.
I have an old Tacoma I have looked into converting to electric. I would love to do it but charging it is a problem.
Curious to know how long a Tesla can maintain 125+ without letting the magic smoke out
The amount of times I have been able to sustain 125+ mph for more than 30 minutes was rare regardless of what type of car.
One day (It was a Sunday holiday with Monday holiday following), I could drive flat out as much as I wanted. I made Nuerburg to Basel in a very fast time. Much of the drive I was against the 155mph limiter. But that is very rare to be able to drive that far that fast.
Imagine inductive charging… pull up to a space and your car charges with no cord…
Yeah, like I said, just curious how long it takes for the angry pixies to get all toasty. I drive a pickup, so it's pretty rare that it gets that fast, but it will.
The current market of EVs is not practical for me. Wife and I have particular needs so neither are 90% of ICE vehicles.
Time is our most valuable commodity and I'm not going to spend 45 minutes to an hour getting less range than I can with a gasoline powered vehicle. I'm also not going to let the charging infrastructure dictate the path of my travel and add scheduling criteria.
Liberals never met a slippery slope they didn't grease.
-Me
I wish technology solved people issues. It seems to just reveal them.
-Also Me
People complain about gas prices but for a product that has to get pulled out of the ground, go through multiple refinery processes and be delivered by a semi it is still a cheap product. People complain about gas prices because of the evil oil companies and their capitalistic ways but Starbucks coffee comes out to about $35 a gallon and nobody gripes about that.
Even at today?s prices I bet I spend less than $150 a month on average for gas for two vehicles.
Personally, I have horrible luck with anything rechargeable so the thought of having a mode of transportation with the spirit of a Makita drill kind of freaks me out.
Also, with specific regards to Tesla, would it have killed them to put some sort of a grille on the front of their cars? I get it isn?t needed from a functional standpoint but at least it would give it a little style.
