Open Discussion of all Things Electric Vehicle (aka EV) for Those Pro or Con, BE RESPECTFUL!

[Martinjmpr]

I don't want to own a large lithium battery or a premium car. But once prices drop and there is a fuel cell alternative (amonia, hydrogen), or a cheap and swappable battery (sodium or zinc-air) I am happy to get one.
I'm just not an early adopter for guns or cars.

I'm the same. Hell I have two air-cooled and carbureted motorcycles in my garage!

[MrPrena]

Now that consumers are receptive to EVs the competition is fierce to be the "next" EV manufacturer people look to in order to claim those sales and that segment. This is why (finally) you see commercials.

Don't forget that most car manufacturers sell new cars at nearly no profit. They know they'll get that back on service & parts and EVs won't bring that revenue they've come to expect and plan for.

Advantage: consumer.

This also plays a large role in why all other manufacturers shunned Tesla's offer to allow them use their established network for free other than the cost of the electricity and maintenance costs. Tesla didn't build the Supercharger network to be a revenue generator. They created it to speed up the migration to more sustainable energy sources. With that in mind and knowing it was a major hurdle for those just entering the segment, they offered to let them hop onboard. The problem is that the legacy manufacturers see it as an opportunity to have their own proprietary ports/system and become the "gas stations" of the future to make residual income on their cars to support their (rapidly shrinking) business model.

If you liked the endless charger circus for cell phones in the late 90's and early 2000's, just wait until you see them 6ft tall and sprinkled all over the nation.

Another good point on charging station and infrastructure side. Besides tesla, one business model I see is the PS console vs PS+ type of relations.i do not know it is a good model, but time will tell.

[Great-Kazoo]

Is there some reason you can't be respectful to others?

OH Look Pot calling kettle , Black.

[BushMasterBoy]

What will make EV's mainstream is when school bus fleets are EV. Kids will be plugging in their laptops and Elon and his ilk will be raking in our tax dollars. People will be buying desert land because the well water is contaminated with radionuclides & lithium, mining the brine. What a beautiful world this will be.

[MrPrena]

[SIZE=3]What will make EV's mainstream is when school bus fleets are EV. Kids will be plugging in their laptops and Elon and his ilk will be raking in our tax dollars. People will be buying desert land because the well water is contaminated with radionuclides & lithium, mining the brine. What a beautiful world this will be.

Externalities sucks. I hear ya.

[BPTactical]

I will be "Respectful"*

I feel that if you live in an urban environment with a minimal commute, have no need to drive a long distance or haul a heavy load an EV makes a degree of sense.
Is it the end all means of transportation? No, I don't believe so. I don't believe the used EV market will be viable, the cost to renew/replace a battery system will outweigh the worth point of the vehicle. The discussion on raw material procurement, processing and production of batteries not to mention disposal is as yet unsettled.

*EV vs ICE debate- I kinda look at it the same as the gay vs straight thing: If that's what you want to do fine. You do you. But the EV crowd has no place demanding that I view them the same way they do, that I must accept them as the "new normal", if I don't agree with their view then I am evil , an electrophobe and therefore a bigot.
Bite me




Just for fun:

[ray1970]

I?m holding out for an electric Harley. They will be such better bikes when you don?t have the vibration and rumble to speak to your soul.

I think the big supporters for all of this EV stuff are either the ?save the planet? or ?big oil is bad? crowd or the super practical, vehicles are just a way to get from point A to point B crowd.

Anyone who appreciates a mode of transportation for reasons beyond just a mode of transportation just isn?t going to be sold on electric vehicles.

[Martinjmpr]

I?m holding out for an electric Harley.

You asked for it, you got it:

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e.../livewire.html

[Great-Kazoo]

I will be "Respectful"*

I feel that if you live in an urban environment with a minimal commute, have no need to drive a long distance or haul a heavy load an EV makes a degree of sense.
Is it the end all means of transportation? No, I don't believe so. I don't believe the used EV market will be viable, the cost to renew/replace a battery system will outweigh the worth point of the vehicle. The discussion on raw material procurement, processing and production of batteries not to mention disposal is as yet unsettled.

*EV vs ICE debate- I kinda look at it the same as the gay vs straight thing: If that's what you want to do fine. You do you. But the EV crowd has no place demanding that I view them the same way they do, that I must accept them as the "new normal", if I don't agree with their view then I am evil , an electrophobe and therefore a bigot.
Bite me

how true. The EV crowd reminds me of the incandescent bulbs are bad for the environment. crowd. SO................................ the push was on to go green, doing away with them, in favor of (Remember these?) CFL bulbs. Oh the hand wringin g over incandescent bulbs, how bad they were, blah, blah, blah....


Then once word was out the CFL bulbs used (iirc) mercury. They disappeared, replaced by led's. Ask the ev crowd, what would happen. Once they realize the mining, production and overall material use for EV's was actually worse than petro, for the environment. Soon to be replaced by other than EV vehicles. Bet those folks act like. OH EV, who drove those

[ray1970]

You asked for it, you got it:

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e.../livewire.html

Ugh. Where are the windshield and bags? And 146 mile range? I could go that far on a Sportster with the peanut tank.