Teslas should be banned.

[O2HeN2]

...but scarce enough to encourage shootouts at the OK Charger.

O2

What logic. When someone gets shot at a gas station do you also blame a gas scarcity?

Sigh. It too, was sarcasm.

And it meets your bar since pretty much everyone on this 'board feels it's the person, not an object that's to blame for their actions.

O2

[BPTactical]

Ya know man if there were no electric cars





















































There would be no electric cars.
Jus sayin

[theGinsue]

I don't believe I've ever seen a single member of this forum say a single positive thing about Tesla.

No dog in the fight as I have ZERO interest in ANY electric or hybrid vehicle, but...

I honestly feel that the Model S and the proposed Tesla Roadster have decent lines (appearance) for a car.

Okay, now you can't say no one has said anything positive about them any more.

[buffalobo]

Meh, Jer has been an easy bait for many years. Quiet sarcasm and dry humor are best approach. Timing and patience are key. G&S lucked into it.

Jer you own the Tesla topic(and probably nice chunk of stock since been fan boiy from beginning), keep beatin em over the head with logic.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Fentonite]

I did drive a buddy’s Rivian SUV. Holy crap, it was fun. Can’t deny that.

[Jer]

Meh, Jer has been an easy bait for many years. Quiet sarcasm and dry humor are best approach. Timing and patience are key. G&S lucked into it.

Jer you own the Tesla topic(and probably nice chunk of stock since been fan boiy from beginning), keep beatin em over the head with logic.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

I own zero TSLA stock shares. The cars are just that good and I'm a car guy, through and through.

Those who know me over the decades refer to me as a "gear head" and have all been amazed that I'm such a proponent Teslas. It's nothing political and I'm not a tree hugger trying to save the environment. They're just the best passenger vehicles for our needs and nothing else is even close at this point. There's others arriving late at the party and I welcome them all as competition favors the consumer. Hell, I even had a Ford Lightning reservation since minutes after they revealed it and was slated to take delivery a few months ago but that entire process was an absolute nightmare.

For years now I've tried to explain that I wasn't a Tesla fanboi so much as a "I like the best item available for my needs" kind of guy and they had the best product for our needs. I'm not brand loyal in the least and if Kia makes the best EV next month we'll be driving those instead. They won't because Tesla is that far ahead but I'm only as loyal as the product is loyal to me. I'm not getting any brand tattoos anytime soon.

I really wanted to see what Ford's offering was all about but that entire process was nothing but a stressful nightmare. I honestly don't believe I'll ever even consider a Ford product again after that symphony of errors on Ford's part over a year or so. It's too bad because, based on volume, that will be many people's first hand experience with EVs. They already lump Tesla Model S's in with Nissan Leaf's just because of the similar form of propulsion. That's basically where the similarities end but people talk about "EVs" as if they're all the same like a Nissan Versa is the same thing as a Lamborghini because they both use gasoline for their form of propulsion.

Because of that, I'm unsure if it will help the adoption rate or hurt it even though logically the more that are on the road (no matter how good or bad) the more it should help. I guess time will tell.

[Jer]

No dog in the fight as I have ZERO interest in ANY electric or hybrid vehicle, but...

I honestly feel that the Model S and the proposed Tesla Roadster have decent lines (appearance) for a car.

Okay, now you can't say no one has said anything positive about them any more.

TBH that's what caught my attention initially. When I saw it many years ago, it was one of the best designed cars I had ever seen. It looked good enough that I had to know who made it. When I discovered it was a Tesla EV I was instantly out. Hard pass. 'I don't want a slow ass EV environmental warrior no matter how good it looks" I thought to myself. I'm glad I stepped outside of my comfort zone because the research I did using unbiased sources opened my eyes. I'd still be living with an inferior tool because I was too stubborn to examine another tool to determine if it could possibly be better. I'm here to say that a hammer isn't a hammer isn't a hammer and comparing any ICE car to an EV (specifically a Tesla) is already a silly starting point. They're just not the same. It's comparing apples to aardvarks.

For the record, the Model S is the secksiest car Tesla makes (until that Next Gen Roadster is made real) and the Model 3 and Y just isn't the same, visually. Far more utilitarian and far less flagship although I suspect most people don't even realize Tesla makes different models that are wildly different from top to bottom. From the world-beating performance (low 9-second quarter mile in nearly any condition in complete silence and comfort? yes please!) Tesla Model S Plaid at $130k down to their Model 3 which costs 1/3 as much.. they offer incredibly different driving experiences. The Model S (and a little lesser so the Model X) is more for "car people" generally speaking. The Model 3 and Y are more for the type who would simply buy a Honda Civic to get from point A to point B economically. Nothing wrong with either one, but lots of people go for a ride in a Model 3 (since they're by far the most you see on the road) and assume they know everything they need to know about Tesla. It would be like going for a ride in a Nissan Versa and assuming you know all you need to know about the GTR.

This is why I always offer to have people come check them out for themselves. It will change the way you look at them enough to at least start your own research path instead of just being closed minded the way I was at one point not too long ago as well. This is why Tesla has a $0 marketing budget because owners are willing to show anyone and everyone because they're that good. The product literally markets itself.

[buffalobo]

I own zero TSLA stock shares. The cars are just that good and I'm a car guy, through and through.

Those who know me over the decades refer to me as a "gear head" and have all been amazed that I'm such a proponent Teslas. It's nothing political and I'm not a tree hugger trying to save the environment. They're just the best passenger vehicles for our needs and nothing else is even close at this point. There's others arriving late at the party and I welcome them all as competition favors the consumer. Hell, I even had a Ford Lightning reservation since minutes after they revealed it and was slated to take delivery a few months ago but that entire process was an absolute nightmare.

For years now I've tried to explain that I wasn't a Tesla fanboi so much as a "I like the best item available for my needs" kind of guy and they had the best product for our needs. I'm not brand loyal in the least and if Kia makes the best EV next month we'll be driving those instead. They won't because Tesla is that far ahead but I'm only as loyal as the product is loyal to me. I'm not getting any brand tattoos anytime soon.

I really wanted to see what Ford's offering was all about but that entire process was nothing but a stressful nightmare. I honestly don't believe I'll ever even consider a Ford product again after that symphony of errors on Ford's part over a year or so. It's too bad because, based on volume, that will be many people's first hand experience with EVs. They already lump Tesla Model S's in with Nissan Leaf's just because of the similar form of propulsion. That's basically where the similarities end but people talk about "EVs" as if they're all the same like a Nissan Versa is the same thing as a Lamborghini because they both use gasoline for their form of propulsion.

Because of that, I'm unsure if it will help the adoption rate or hurt it even though logically the more that are on the road (no matter how good or bad) the more it should help. I guess time will tell.

Dude, money been made on TSLA, figured you be in long term.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

[Jer]

Dude, money been made on TSLA, figured you be in long term.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim.

If I was it would be a long-term play for sure. I was this close -><- to buying about $10k worth back when it was $168/share I believe two splits ago which would have made me north of a half million buckaroos after gains tax was paid out last I checked. I don't do single stock investing though as it's too volatile for my liking. To be fair, I _may_ have inadvertently invested in TSLA in one of my mutual funds but I don't really count that as investing in TSLA based on the spirit of the question.

[Justin]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but rapid chargers are hardly scarce at this point...

t by ARNEWB, on Flickr

And that map shows just Tesla-specific superchargers. If you add in 3rd Party DC Fast Chargers and Level 2 chargers, the map looks more like this:

https://www.plugshare.com/


And that doesn't even count the ability to plug in at RV parks or, in the worst case, a 110V wall outlet.