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    Quote Originally Posted by BPTactical View Post
    34 felony charges that nobody can specifically list.
    Notice how none of the charges have been listed in detail?
    33 invoices, checks and vouchers for $35,000 and one check for $70,000 paid to Cohen for facilitating the payoff to the whore.

    Each one was considered a separate falsification of business records. This is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud.

    This not without precedence. John Edwards (remember him?) was charged with violating campaign contribution laws to cover up the affair he was having as his wife was dying of cancer during his brief presidential run. He was not guilty on one and there was a mistrial on the other five charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRnCO View Post
    I certainly don't care much for Trump as a person and he certainly doesn't act "presidential", but I am sick and tired of having democratic/liberal policies shoved down my throat from every angle, from state to national. I will vote for anyone that vows to stop pushing higher taxes, open borders, DEI, anti 2a down my throat.

    Yup- Trump is an asshat, not a big surprise there. However, nothing about this legal scenario changes the pragmatic fact that my policy viewpoints are much more aligned with a potential Trump administration redo than a second term Biden administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TRnCO View Post
    I certainly don't care much for Trump as a person and he certainly doesn't act "presidential", but I am sick and tired of having democratic/liberal policies shoved down my throat from every angle, from state to national. I will vote for anyone that vows to stop pushing higher taxes, open borders, DEI, anti 2a down my throat.
    Quote Originally Posted by .455_Hunter View Post
    Yup- Trump is an asshat, not a big surprise there. However, nothing about this legal scenario changes the pragmatic fact that my policy viewpoints are much more aligned with a potential Trump administration redo than a second term Biden administration.

    Ultimately, THIS is what it all boils down to for me.

    Trump remains the presumptive GOP candidate. If the GOP decides to field another player (causing Trump to go independent), that person had better have something pretty amazing in their portfolio for me to consider them - which has not been in the GOP playbook for a very long time.

    Whether it be Biden again, or he is replaced by Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, or some other egregious liberal, the Dems will be putting forth someone just as bad for this country as we currently have.

    Given the two true options (yes, there will be many other candidates from other parties on the ballot - but they never really have any chance), I know I won't be voting for the liberal.

    Are you better off now than you were 3 years ago? If not, why would you even be discussing how much you dislike Donald Trump? Ultimately, you can choose to do what's best for you and your family - based off of party track records, or you can choose to continue down the path of destruction we're currently on. For me, the answer is clear and easy - regardless of how I feel about the person as a private entity vice their public performance. I'm not cutting off my feet because they have unsightly nail fungus - they still take me places I need to go.
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    Writer Devon Eriksen had the perfect response to this (specifically to JK Rowling). In essence, this is all BS. No crime was investigated to find the perpetrator. Rather, a man was investigated to find a crime. Every single person whether for or against is on the chopping block in the exact same manner in potential. This wasn't Justice, it was a witch hunt.

    Eriksen's tweet:

    Read this next sentence over and over again until you realize I really mean it.

    It does not matter if Trump is guilty.

    Have you got that? Do you believe I sincerely think that?

    If so, you're probably wondering why. And I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're not a moron enough to think the answer is "because he's my guy".

    I don't have a guy.

    For the moment, just accept that I don't think it matters if Trump is guilty. In order to explain why, I will demonstrate that you agree with me. You think you don't, but you do, and I'll show you why.

    So, after writing a series of books about a wizard school for kids, and making so much money that you would never have to work a day in your life again, you decided that you didn't actually want to be idle.

    Commendable.

    So you invented "Robert Gailbraith", and you started writing more novels. Novels about a private detective who is hired to solve crimes.

    This is well explored genre, and there's quite a few people who enjoy this sort of thing... enough that these type of novels have some colloquial names.

    They're called "mystery" stories, but they are also often called "whodunnits".

    Cormoran Strike (ludicrous name, by the way) is hired to investigate crimes, in order to find out who it was that dunnit. He is not hired to investigate a person to see "whutHeDun".

    There's two reasons you write it that way.

    A "whutHeDun" would be a boring story. There's no way for the reader to wonder who did the thing, or how the thing went down. Nothing to puzzle over. They can wonder, I suppose, what crime the target will eventually be charged with, but with that as the major question, how would you tantalize the reader with clues?

    Surely, as an experienced writer, you can see that such a story would not work.

    But there's another reason. A "whutHeDun" isn't heroic. When your main character selects a crime to investigate, it's easy to make the readers root for him, simply by writing the crime as some awful thing that needs to be solved, so the perpetrator won't do it again.

    But if Cormoran Strike were to investigate a man instead of a crime, his actions would not be so admirable. If he don't have a heinous crime to instigate his investigation, then why is investigating this man and not that one?

    Clearly, the man is being targeted not because he is guilty of a heinous crime, but for some other reason.

    This wouldn't work even if you wrote so that every "he" in your series of "whutHeDuns" turned out to be a goat rapist or something equally vile and disgusting, because not only would your readers' sense of immersion be damaged by how everybody he investigated turned out vile, but also because he wasn't motivated by something he couldn't have known or been sure of.

    And if, instead, they were guilty of tax evasion, or failing to pay their television license fee (apparently that's a thing in Brit-land?), or cheating on their wife/husband... well, it would be hard to see ol' Cormoran as a heroic character at all, now wouldn't it?

    No, he would basically be a professional character assassin, wouldn't he? Hired to dig up dirt on somebody that his rich clients wanted to stick it to.

    Cormoran Strike, sticky divorce investigator! Thrilling tales of how he catches cheating wives so rich dudes don't have pay alimony!

    Would you write a story like that?

    I think you wouldn't. It wouldn't be fun to write, and it would be very difficult to sympathize with the protagonist.

    He wouldn't be heroic.

    Well, that's the real justice system for you. It has to be heroic. It has to stand for justice, not just law, especially not if that law is selectively applied.

    In a free society, we investigate crimes to see who can be charged with them. We do not investigate men to see what they can be charged with.

    Because the law is intended to be a shield to protect the people, not a sword to attack them.

    You already believe this.

    You already have left-wing beliefs that is unjust to selectively target unpopular people with the justice system, even if some crime can be found they are actually guilty of. You understand how if the police arrested only black men, this would be wrong even if only the guilty were convicted.

    You also understand that sleazy divorce PIs who dig up dirt on preselected targets are not heroes, even if dirt can be found. That's why Cormoran Strike investigates disappearances and murders and such instead.

    So you already agree with me.

    You even agree with me if you are so lost to knee-jerk tribalism that you don't care about targeted investigations and malicious prosecution, and you just want to see Donald Trump go to jail, principles be damned.

    Because, remember, my original thesis was "it does not matter if Donald Trump is guilty".

    If you believe in the principle of blind and equal justice, then it doesn't matter if he is guilty, because target prosecutions are wrong.

    And if you don't care about principle, and you just want to get him at any cost, then it still doesn't matter if he's guilty, because then you want to get him even if he's innocent.

    In no world does it actually matter if he is guilty of the things he is accused of doing, which I doubt you could even explain to me off the top of your head.

    What matters a great deal is whether the most powerful, most nuclear-armed nation in the known universe is ruled by laws and principles or by men and agendas.

    Why?

    Because one day you, Joanne Rowling, might visit the United States of America, and suddenly find yourself in handcuffs.

    Because someone decided "let's get that transphobe", and assigned a team of federal prosecutors and forensic accountants to go over your entire business empire with a fine-tooth comb.

    Ah-hah! They would cry, this billionaire has falsified her business records! This is wrong, whatever the context! We must prosecute her at once!

    And we would all know that the real reason would be your refusal to agree that a man in a dress is a woman.

    Just as the real reason here is that Donald Trump is a threat to the regime.

    You may not like it, because you don't like Donald Trump. You may refuse to admit it, because you don't like Donald Trump. But you know I am right about this.
    Donald Trump is a political prisoner in the same way that a man in a dress is still a man.

    Because wanting things doesn't change facts.
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    I don't know how many people on this forum are the head person in a business greater than a small mom and pop shop.

    But here is what I do with finances.

    Suppliers send invoices to the accounting department. One of the really interesting notes is we get a lot of random invoices where someone is just sending emails hoping they will slip throught the crack and just get paid.

    Then the accounting department enters them in the appropriate "bins". We dont make new bins for every different type of invoice. All our P&Ls show a single line item for all our legal expenses. Attached (electronically) are copies from what the atyorneys send us. This could be employees disputes. Contract reviews. Real estate transactions. Retainers, etc. Any of the work from the lawers go on the line item on the P&L called "legal expenses".

    Once the accountants says "yes we received that good or service" they do a weekly check run (and ACH) by reconciling the invoices in the accounting software and marking "ok to pay" and then the software combines multiple invoices to a supplier and prints checks.

    Once checks are printed, I get a stack of checks. I look quickly through them to make sure nothing jumps out; i do not go into every detail and reconcile invoices to checks. That is why I have an accounting department. I just ool if there are any really out of place expenses or suppliers that look strange. If everything looks OK, then i sign them.

    That is how business actually works. President Trump from what I could see from trial reporting was basically following normal business practices

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    Where do you see yourself and the country in a few years. 1,2,3 or more years under ANY Democrat President?
    Anyone wanna tell us how things will be better? Paint us a picture and stop letting your hatred and TDS for the man who was making this country great again for all of us.
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    I laugh because the majority are deluded in believing we are a constitutional republic. The reality is the US is a military industrial complex. The DOD has a $800 billion budget. We have 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers. The Air Force has over 5000 aircrcraft. The Army as over 4000 battle tanks.
    I can just imagine the resources available to the intelligence community. As "Jack Ryan" says ...just follow the money!


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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    33 invoices, checks and vouchers for $35,000 and one check for $70,000 paid to Cohen for facilitating the payoff to the whore.

    Each one was considered a separate falsification of business records. This is a crime when the records are altered with an intent to defraud.

    This not without precedence. John Edwards (remember him?) was charged with violating campaign contribution laws to cover up the affair he was having as his wife was dying of cancer during his brief presidential run. He was not guilty on one and there was a mistrial on the other five charges.

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    The charges stemmed from supposed payoffs PRIOR to the 2016 election. Better check those dates you posted. 2017?? yeah no hush money was paid prior to 2016 when this so called payoff happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEAMRICO View Post
    Where do you see yourself and the country in a few years. 1,2,3 or more years under ANY Democrat President?
    Anyone wanna tell us how things will be better? Paint us a picture and stop letting your hatred and TDS for the man who was making this country great again for all of us.
    well said. "We" cannot survive even 2 more yrs of this admin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEAMRICO View Post
    Paint us a picture and stop letting your hatred and TDS for the man who was making this country great again for all of us.
    "TDS" doesn't exist. If someone can't have a rational discussion about their chosen candidate, and flings out tags to try to undercut any dissenting voice... what does that sound like?

    Replace "TDS" with "RACISM" and Trump with Obama, and you'll have a good picture.

    TRUMP increased the national debt by 40% in a single term. If he was a conservative of any cloth, maybe I could agree with some of the points made here. I don't like Biden, but I don't like the USSR even more, and Trump is not a conservative. He's a manipulator that built up a false brand.

    Trump is VERY manipulatable, and the worst possible candidate for the federal budget and deficit in the history of our country. He campaigned on a promise to pay off the national debt... instead, see what he spent.

    Much of the inflation people attribute to BidenEconomics originate with Trump's printing of dollars. If anyone thinks this is outrageous, please google the expenditures before singing his praises.

    Sorry, Trump is hardly any better than the progressive left. He's also as pro-soviet as a 1960's hippy. I do think he'd be great for the USSR, which is why this go around, he will *not* have my vote, nor will he have the vote of many true conservatives.

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