Micheal Schuber Interview-CIA

[Irving]

The first few suggestions in the thread sounded like the equivalent of leveling an urban city block after a trio of gang bangers ran and hid in a project apartment complex.

[Troublco]

We as Americans tend to assume the radicals think like we do, which is a misconception.

This. Every liberal in our country (and a lot of others) just assume that everyone else thinks the way they do. It just ain't so. And thinking this way is dangerous. You can't just figure that everyone else thinks the same way as you, would respond to a given situation like you, and would react the same way as you. Just look at the difference between the values of a Socialist Liberal, and a Jeffersonian Conservative. And that's just in our country!

I agree that going in and decimating a population isn't a good way to take care of things. We do need to stop pulling crap like prosecuting those Navy SEALs who allegedly "roughed up" that Al Qaeda leader. And then asked him if he'd been mistreated? They are using our own rules against us, and laughing all the way to the mosque, which they are probably using to store their weapons since they know that we won't bomb the damn thing even if we could prove they used it for weapons storage (which makes it a legitimate target!) because they'll just lie and claim they were innocent. I don't advocate killing innocents. I do advocate whacking those who need/deserve it. If you turn around and whip an AK out of your robes, shoot a couple of soldiers, then throw the gun away and run, you need a couple of bullets. Period. I don't think we need to treat every one of their ilk as an honored guest, either. Sufficient shelter, food, etc, but to be honest I don't care if they lost their prayer rug and Koran because they were in a pitched battle with our troops. Too bad. Let 'em kneel on the damn concrete. For that matter, if they were, we shouldn't be taking them captive; just shoot them and be done with it. That way we won't be fighting them later, which has happened with a number of the former Guantanamo inmates.

[ERNO]

F@#%K the CIA and their hellish idea of spookdom!
The CIA has been giving out so many lies, crap and misinformation especially about UFO's and ET's that they will never have my respect, now or in the future!
When the "Spook" say's "Kill Them All," he is just downgrading the CIA as being compared to the Hitler's jackboot juggernaut during World War 11.
BLOODY FACISTS!
Let me quote Jeff Cooper:"A person who owns a gun does not make him a shooter, just as a person who owns a guitar does not make him a musican"
This spook who claims he is a warrior, has just played into the hands of AL QAEDA!
Osama Bin Liden was on the CIA payroll during the Afgan-Russian War; and the spooks gave the Muhajdeen mostly all of the AK 47's that exist in Afganistan, that have been killing some of our coliation forces.
I hated the Russians when they used "burn't Earth" tactics against the Afgan's; and I'll hate anybody else who uses the same slash and burn tactics in this bloody Afgan War foreign or domestic!
This isn't just a war against AL Qaeda and their supporter's; it is a war against the opium and heroin trade in Afganistan with recent Russian coperation in a recent drug lab bust in the Afgan nation.
Afganistan is the "Saudia Arabia of Minerals", and these greedy mining interests whether in the U.S., Russia or China want to perpetuate this bloody war in Afganistan at the expense of our coliation force's; so they can get some of their greedy little hands on some of it!

[rockhound]

trying to fight a politically correct war was why we have failed militarily for at least the last four decades.

our troops are capable of hunting down the enemy effective and with limited collateral damage and without carpet bombing.

the liberal PC touting public and govt officials alike will not let that happen.

not only are we not carpet bombing, but we have tied the hands of the troops in other ways.

i have spoken to some of the soldiers that have come back from iraq and they are disgusted with the PC bullshit they have to go through.

we are not fighting we are so limited in the rules of engagement that they can barely defend themselves without being court marshaled, much less actually take out the enemy.

YOU CANNOT WIN A WAR BY BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT

[Morgan338LM]

Since I posted second and everyone is referring to the first few posts as Kill em all ideas, let me clarify... When I said there is no common ground to find, I mean that the radicals, not Average Joe Afghani/Iraqi who are literally not interested in this war other than how it affects their lives. The radical extremists/terrorists who have a blind ideology that cannot be reasoned with are the intended subjects of my comment. That we cannot find common ground with them; the only thing we can do is kill them, or they will spend eternity trying to kill us. I do not endorse any wholesale killing of any kind. If you want to read a great book, "Lone Survivor" is about some damn fine human beings, including a Pashtun village that defended Marcus Luttrell (Navy Seal) against the Taliban and refused to hand him over in the face of threats and constant harassment. There is a small group of supremely dedicated ideological zealots who cannot be dissuaded from their goal, the destruction of western civilization. That's a more verbose version of my argument, I hope I have given a better description of what I believe than I did in my short post at #2 on the thread. Cheers

W.

[ERNO]

As in any war, the civillans pay the heavest price.

[Elhuero]

so we invaded iraq for the oil, now we're in afghanistan for the minerals.

okey dokey.

[Irving]

so we invaded iraq for the oil, now we're in afghanistan for the minerals.

okey dokey.

Have you SEEN the prices minerals are going for now a days?

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showth...ight=cool+rock

[Anton]

War has always been horrific and brutal, only very recently (a century or two, or much less, depending on how you view things) has Liberalism attempted to water it down to make it 'acceptable' to the general populous. Meanwhile, none of our potential or real enemies hamstring themselves like America and its allies.

Islam will never be compatible with Western civilization. I don't support "mass murder" but, like half-retarded gangbangers, they only respect force...

[theGinsue]

I'm with Stag and Bear here. We'll never remove the threat by keeping our borders open, mettling in everyone elses affairs in the guise of "helping" them, nor by playing fair.

Some of you will call an all out blitzkrieg retaliatory offensive "murder" if "innocents" are killed. I do not. If you willingly tolerate those who seek to be our enemies or you stand in the center of aggression and claim "innocence", you are not a non-combatant, you are an enemy of this nation and a target. If you allow "extremists" militant combatants to HQ themselves in your mosque, your mosque is now a viable target as is everyone inside. PERIOD.

You wanna play nice, OUR people are going to die. We can reduce the number of our men and women who have to die by actually fighting a war like we're FIGHTING A WAR, not by tying our hands.

I saw that someone quoted Gen Patton when he said:

“Wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of the men who follow and of the man who leads that gains the victory.”

This is a truism, but it's also true that if you remove the men who will fight, either by killing them, or eliminating their "spirit" to fight by pounding them relentlessly, you've won the war. Patton also said a few other things that I think are applicable:

"The more I see of Arabs the less I think of them. By having studied them a good deal I have found out the trouble. They are the mixture of all the bad races on earth, and they get worse from west to east, because the eastern ones have had more crosses."

"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his" (There are several variants of the previous quote all attributed to General Patton)

“So let us do real fighting, boring in and gouging, biting.
Let's take a chance now that we have the ball.
Let's forget those fine firm bases in the dreary shell raked spaces,
Let's shoot the works and win! Yes win it all."

"A good solution applied with vigor now is better than a perfect solution applied ten minutes later."

"Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning."

and my favorite,

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't"

I couldn't have said it better myself.