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"Passengers have complained about the Close Encounters with TSA.
Some offer graphic accounts of genital contact, others tell of agents gawking or making inappropriate comments, and many express a general sense of powerlessness and humiliation. In general passengers are saying they are surprised by the intimacy of a physical search usually reserved for police encounters"
"Representatives fom various rights groups say reports about security agent's behavior run the gamut from respectful and apologetic to aggressive and hostile. Disabled travelers, parents traveling with children, victims of sexual assault and people with medical devices or health issues have expressed concerns about how the new policy affects their ability to fly."
"In other cases, passengers may be randomly selected for a physical search."
"For the protests this coming Wednesday, WeWontFly.com and OptOutDay.com support the boldest passengers to strip down to their underwear before entering the security line."
Last edited by ERNO; 11-19-2010 at 15:23.
Keep in mind, the TSA people aren't Federal Agents, they are Transportation Security Officers...read, federally paid security. They do not have federal powers that Federal Agent's have.
Here is the list of minimal requirements for being a security officer:
Duties and Responsibilities: Implements security-screening procedures that are central to Transportation Security Administration (TSA) objectives and that will serve to protect the traveling public by preventing any deadly or dangerous objects from being transported onto an aircraft. Assists in conducting screening of passengers, baggage and cargo. May be required to conduct screening at any airport that provides commercial services to the public. Assists in monitoring the flow of passengers through the screening checkpoint to facilitate the orderly and efficient processing of passengers. Maintains close communication with supervisors regarding any issues that might reveal a weakness or vulnerable area of security screening that is discovered in the course of screening duties. Participates in information briefings concerning security-sensitive or classified information.
Key Skills
Pay scale:
- Ability to learn the theories, dynamics, and factors underlying the aviation screening process to enable authoritative and independent handling of screening functions.
- Ability to learn to operate basic security equipment such as X-ray machines and hand wands at screening checkpoints
- Ability to work with persons of diverse backgrounds
- Ability to communicate non-technical information effectively to others
$25,518 minimum to $44,007 maximum
Personally, I would prefer a transfer back to the private security. When TSA was developed, the PD I worked for had to provide security for the hotel that was taken over to hire these TSA security people. Long lines, lots of people and we were averaging 3-5 arrests a day for warrants, etc. for the people showing up to get hired.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
during a discussion this morning a very good point was brought up.
IF*
you look at an electronic image of a nude child
OR
You touched the Genetalia of a Child
where would you be right now?
Why do we allow our government to do this to us and our children?
Will it be used in the future as a defense? ie:"I molest children because I was molested at an airport."
we know that child abuse perpetuates abuse... are we condoning it?
debate
I was staying out of this discussion for the past few days, but here I am wading in.
The two things that I think we did to improve airline and aircraft safety were to arm the pilots and secure the cockpit door. Anything past that was to satisfy the fear of the flying populace and keep an industry that is barely surviving from falling apart altogether, which would have made the government feel the need to intervene and get into the industry. Read: government airlines. After 9/11, the airports had (unarmed) National Guard standing around as a show of force to make the population feel safer. Did it make it safer? Not really.
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
so:
Ticket sales are down, Airlines scramble, increase fees, rates, charge extra for carry-ons, Checked bags, etc.. Further alienating travellers
NOW...
Citizen have a No Fly day... fewer people want to fly, people choose alternative transport modes in retaliation to as well as in fear of TSA (I have a friend just drove from NC to CO and Back because he has an artificial hip and is tired of Cavity searches)
Customer base is now even more alienated, Sales Plumet, Airlines collapse and scream for their bailouts, again...
so either we let these "Security guards" Feel us up or our taxes go up...
WTF?
It's NOT doing anything except making a mockery of us for the rest of the world.
I don't disagree a bit Byte. The industry is eating itself. Federal law actually allows airports to opt out of using TSA screeners and hire private security that have to be trained by TSA.
I don't like to fly anymore due to the security searches. I drove to Louisiana and to Missouri for training classes I had with the Guard instead of fly. When I do have to fly, I wear and carry as little as possible in order to try to get through security with minimal issues.
Hell, when my damn unit was deploying to Iraq in 2008, we all had to be screened, had to remove our boots and belts and some were hand searched with the wands and the old search methods. C'mon! Really!
“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
I have said this before but its stupid enough to bear repeating
The Dumbest thing ever done by our government in regards to the TSA.
Screening Pilots...
Umm, They already have control of the aircraft and we GIVE them a GUN!
There's not much that these scanners or pat downs will find that the metal detectors won't already find. They say that they can find ceramic knives that the metal detectors can't...well yes, that is true. But if anyone thinks that after 9/11 any red-blooded passengers on board a plane are going to let some ass-hat with a knife take the plane they are way off base. The ONLY reason that the 3 planes that succeeded did so is because prior to 9/11 terrorists that took planes always landed them. Once we found out that these guys weren't going to land the plane...well, the 4th plane proves what happens then.
There is no way in hell that any American plane will be hijacked ever again, unless it's by a rouge pilot already at the controls. There are too many Americans that will stand up against one terrorist, or ten, with box cutters. Like I said before, I fly almost every week and would not hesitate to attempt to stop a terrorist with a knife or any other weapon on a plane and I know many other's would do the same.
The TSA has touted that they have stopped hundreds of prohibited items from getting on planes with these devices already...mostly drugs. I bet if this goes on, even after ten years they won't be able to give one instance that these pat downs or machines stopped a guy with something like a bomb that could actually do any damage.
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