Hospitals in AZ potentially to require proof of citizenship

[Byte Stryke]

In case I have to spell it out. If some dumb fuck thinks that he/she is being patriotic and denies service to my family in a life threatening emergency, they won't be making it home to their family, ever. It won't matter who thought who was American then.

wow, talk about twisting the argument.

No one ever said Deny service in a life threatening emergency.
I believe I Said the opposite.

But yeah, threatening to intentionally kill people makes a perfectly logical point.

[BigMat]

wow, talk about twisting the argument.

No one ever said Deny service in a life threatening emergency.
I believe I Said the opposite.

But yeah, threatening to intentionally kill people makes a perfectly logical point.

I would like to agree Byte, but I guess what I am having a hard time saying is that it isn't possible. The way health care works and service denial, just doesn't work at an ER level, which is where this issue exists. Once they make it to the floor, hospital admin, has shumcks like me drive little baby girls back to Mexico to die in a hovel because we don't want to spend our tax dollars, already. At the door, you can't turn someone away because of ID, period. It will not work, ever, if you want health care to be a remotely ethical and efficient process.

Also-
I will say I find it funny how many want gov't involvment in health care for "this," because its wrong/wastefull, but want them to stay the hell out for "that," because they screw everything up. Seems to me you should pick one and stick to it.

[BigMat]

But yeah, threatening to intentionally kill people makes a perfectly logical point.

Have to say in this case, yeah it does. If it was my daughter being turned away by some jerk, I see all kinds of logic in it.

[BigMat]

Besides, people who work in hospitals are mostly all a bunch of bleeding hearts and wouldn't turn people in anyway.

Would any of you want it any other way?

[Irving]

I didn't say that is what you said Byte. I realize that you were arguing the same point as I was.

And it isn't a threat, it's a promise. Deny my babies life saving services because they look Mexican, and I will kill you. I won't apologize for it, I won't take back my comment, and I won't remove it.

I don't have all the answers. I don't even have the answer to this problem, but I can tell you that denying services in a life threatening emergency to a person who doesn't have proof of citizenship on their person is a bad idea.

I realize no one has said anything about denying people in that situation, but I thought I'd jump ahead and lay this out on the table early. There has to be a line some where. I don't know where the line should be, but I know where it shouldn't be.

I wish I had the answer so I could drop a bomb of wisdom and stop looking like an over reacting asshole, but I don't. I guess I'll just have to settle for being a guy looking out for the best interests of his family and being in a pretty unfortunate situation where his family happens to look similar to every "Undesirable Number 1" in the country.

And don't anyone accuse me of being sympathetic toward illegals either. I'm none too thrilled to be classified as "them" when we go out in public. Thanks a ton Mexico.

[Irving]

Would any of you want it any other way?

I was actually just going to point that out. Everyone has their place in society.


Also, I've known a fair share of nurses and people who went to school to be an RN or whatever. Many of them were the most stupid, worthless, shitbags I've ever met. Asking for a law like this is basically asking grow the TSA to include hospitals as well. Do not want.

[Byte Stryke]

yeah I am done with having my words twisted, people threatening to kill each other over something that was never said.


And we call the Jihadists crazy? At least there really is someone out to get them.


Peace out.

[sniper7]

Not at all, my wife just got insurance and I just canceled mine, and I work/go to school in health care. It sucks, I know, but the simple fact is, this isn't where the problem lies. listen to politians and talk show junkies say it is all you want, but from the eyes of the insides, if you want to stop wasting money on health care, there is a different place to look. Worthless POS Americans who use the health care system. I transported a guy because he wanted to get across town and we were faster than a cab, no joke. I rutinely picked up a woman who weighed 500+ pounds and costed AZ more than 3 million a year, because she ate too much. I transported her once, after she called 911, because she was gaining weight!

thats where the money goes, because we can't say no to people who don't need it and abuse it, not because we say no to people who need it and didn't pay into it. I can say in all honesty, I transported a known illegal less than 10 times. But, I've transported the same drunk bum more than once in a shift! Fix this, and you will save a lot of money, get the lawyers out of it, and you will save a lot of money, get patient expectations to reality, and you will save a lot of money, get the illegals out, and you will save a LITTLE money. (I could go on)

There may be those stories, but I just flew home 3 hours with a US ARMY medic who is also a 20 year (he was about 50) ER doctor in Missoula, MT. His thoughts were exactly what this law is wanting to do plus some. There needs to be the option to turn illegals away and not treat them. if it is life threatening, then give them the service, and hope for payment but expect nothing. other than life threatening, they are on their own.

He worked as an ER doctor at the Baghdad hospital, and worked with several guys from border states. He was very compassionate and said he would never turn anyone away who needed help, and that is the nature of the job, but he also said the illegals need to stop. they come in to the ER for a stubbed toe late at night, get all the help they need, then take off and never pay a dime. same with the illegals the BP pick up and bring in. the hospitals get nothing for this. People with real emergencies don't get the attention they should or are paying for because of these people.
all of this is from him, not me.

Basically, I want to see a massive decrease in illegals all the way around. imagine how much better our entire system would be. roads, hospitals, DMV, banks, insurance, justice system, law enforcement, schools. all of these would see massive improvements in customer service, availability, productivity etc without illegals draining on the system.

a small % is going to happen, is acceptable to a certain point, but we are pushing it pretty hard. I see it big time at the local schools.

[sniper7]

Now, I am not saying the system is perfect, but $82 Million would buy allot of school books.

that doesn't even include the school costs. I looked into this and the school system is drained over 500 million a year due to illegals. either by actual costs for school lunch, % of salaries, or for lost income on property tax or local/state taxes paid.

the total state cost was over 1 billion a year.

[sniper7]

Just to take another view on this-
I work in health care
cops, BP, ICE etc. work in law enforcement.

I did not sign up to enforce anything, I am trained to not judge my patients.


This is making those who have no desire to do this, who have no training to do this, and have no place doing this, and I worked/work for a private business, do something because law enforcement at every level keeps failing at it.

Maybe we should be asking why the border is so open that nurses need to be doing imigration busts!

meh...welcome to my life. All I want to do is fly the jet. now we have to worry about the security side, reporting suspicious passengers, flight attendants watching alcohol consumption, gate agents verifying ID.

just part of the job any more.