9 Mm Vs 45 Acp

[cstone]

Well I guess your right about that But two to the body and one to the head, game over brother.

Why stop at three? Depending on the number of threats, two to the body, two to the head, then two more to the head, then two more... Shoot till the threat is no longer a threat.

Obviously round placement is key. The only way to get good at round placement is practice, practice, practice. No one can tell another what they should shoot because you should shoot what you are good at and what you can afford to practice with and practice with it often.

If I shot .45 better, and could afford to shoot a few thousand rounds of .45, perhaps that is where I would have gone. If is was practical I would probably just carry a 12 gauge shotgun with alternating 00 and slugs, where the shot placement is important and the stopping power is obvious.

Some like Hondas, and some like Peterbuilts. I don't want to be hit by either.

[porfiriozg]

agreed .40s&w the way to go

Almost 10mm. How about .40S&W? The true middle of the road choice. High capacity, good ballistics, and lots of choices. If you have the money you can always swap barrels and shoot .357 SIG out of the same gun and magazines.

[Hoopty]

agreed .40s&w the way to go

But like he said, its MIDDLE of the road- with the 10mm you get the high power AND high capacity, no trade-offs here...

[cstone]

But like he said, its MIDDLE of the road- with the 10mm you get the high power AND high capacity, no trade-offs here...

No doubt, 10mm and .45 ACP are great rounds (you just know there is a but coming)...

If you are buying factory JHP, almost all 10mm will cost twice as much per round than .40S&W. In fact, .45 ACP in JHP is usually easier to find and cheaper than 10mm. No doubt someone will come along and prove me wrong. Its been known to happpen.

That said, shoot what you shoot best. There are plenty of choices and choices are good.

[Hoopty]

You definitely got that right, 10mm ammo is downright expensive. Reloading is your best bet when it comes to that. Sometimes you can get lucky looking online but that's really not too common.

Like I stated earlier, I shoot mostly 9mm at the range because its cheap. With the Glock 20 you can get a .40 conversion barrel and save a ton by practicing mostly with that...

[Marlin]

If you are buying factory JHP, almost all 10mm will cost twice as much per round than .40S&W.

No,it is the same price, you just get half as much 10 as you do .40.

[TDYRanger]

.40 S&W is totally kissing your sister. Not as fast as 9mm not as much whack as .45 and is pricey to boot. If you got the dough run .45 if you don't run 9mm. For me personally I would rather have the extra time at the range and more ammo on target. Shoot a ton, shoot good, shoot 9mm

[Ranger353]

I have had the opportunity to attend some excellent LE firearm instructor courses taught by retired LE and FBI agents. In all three courses the question has come up for discussion, usually from some young police officer or deputy that has been shooting Glocks his entire 3 year career.

Now, it's important to note that the FBI is really into statistics, this is one of the things that they do really well. They gather facts and metrics from all over the U.S. and publish there findings. They are usually about 2 years behind on the analysis but the results are always interesting. It is also important to note that these published reports and studies always lack a solid "And so what?" summary or assessment of what it all means.

One of the instructors, who was a retired LEO, had helped gather metrics for one of those studies. The way he gathered the "metrics" was to observe the autopsy of victims of death by firearms. He would use steal rods to push through the entry and exit wounds and measure the displacement of body tissue and bone. The Coroner makes the determination on the cause of death and probability of which round or rounds were the fatal shot(s). Then based on that determination this FBI Agent would use the rods, displacement measurements, caliber, weight and types of rounds used to list on the report to send back east to Quantico VA.

He said without any hesitation that the most lethal round was the .40S&W. Most of us .45ACP 1911 guys stirred in our chairs because this is obviously something that needed some explaining. Now before you start flaming me with rebuttals, this was based on the statistics of the number of rounds fired against the number of rounds that were determined to be the shots that caused the death. Understanding that baseline, the statistics were probably off based on the large number of LEOs that use .40S&W handguns to begin with. I really would have liked to see an index based on caliber rather than just on the general cause of death.

Anyway, for what it's worth (not much I know), that's my 2-cents worth.

[Byte Stryke]

I Enjoy the .40S&W
I run them through my KP944 and have allot of fun with them.
Not quite as much kick as the .45ACP but WAY more available.
I can go into Wally world and get a Large range pack of .40 on the cheap when they dont have any .45 at all.

[Troublco]

10mm.

My favorite.

I could also add, with a 6" barrel for the G20, You are legal to hunt.

Why, yes. I have a Storm Lake 6" barrel for my G20. My G20 has replaced my Smith 686 as my GP gun. I bought it for handgun pig hunting originally, even though I didn't much care for glocks. It has become my favorite all-around handgun. It's a bit large for CCW, though. Right now I carry a SIG P225 because it's small enough, ultra reliable, and I have it. I've decided that I'm going to get a G29 for CCW use sometime in the next year, and then that will be my primary CCW.

Otherwise, I'd have a G30, G36, or compact XD45.