constititional carry rejected

[Bailey Guns]

how do you figure ??
just because i choose not to carry but at the same time think that women , elderly , and people who would normally not be able to defend them selves should . how is that flawed . Yes i believe a single 20 something male probably dose not need a gun.
When it comes down to it i really dont care if everyone chooses to carry and hell if they want to the should .
how is that flawed ??
I know a lot of people that have and do carry , i dont think they really need to, but if it make them feel better fine .
the big thing is , our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS .
So back to my question what can we as a community do to fix the problem .just because it dose no effect me (in the way that i choose not to carry) dose not mean that i wont fight for your rights and the rights of all Americans .

You've been well indoctrinated. Don't you get it? It's not about "need".

You talk about some sort of subjective "need" out of one side of your mouth and "OUR RIGHTS" outta the other side.

How about, "We all NEED the government to stop infringing on OUR RIGHTS."

[alxone]

"We all NEED the government to stop infringing on OUR RIGHTS."

ill agree with that 100%

Just because its a right dose not mean that one should .
Aslo is it not the feeling of Need that decides our rights ??
I honestly do not agree with very many gun or drug laws but it was through the feeling of need (not mine ) that they were put in place .
I see the cc law like this , Yes it should be my god givin right to have what ever i want in my pockets and Yes i feel a need to have that right. But no i do not feel the NEED to act on them .

Mostly think the laws are set up to hurt good people as bad people dont listen to them anyway .

All the same i do feel the NEED to protect OUR RIGHTS

[hurley842002]

how do you figure ??
just because i choose not to carry but at the same time think that women , elderly , and people who would normally not be able to defend them selves should . how is that flawed . Yes i believe a single 20 something male probably dose not need a gun.
When it comes down to it i really dont care if everyone chooses to carry and hell if they want to the should .
how is that flawed ??
I know a lot of people that have and do carry , i dont think they really need to, but if it make them feel better fine .
the big thing is , our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS .
So back to my question what can we as a community do to fix the problem .just because it dose no effect me (in the way that i choose not to carry) dose not mean that i wont fight for your rights and the rights of all Americans .

So on one hand you say "our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS", but on the other, you say "Making a 20 something single male jump through a few hoops is fine". So which is it man? EVERYBODY has the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, or only Single Women, the elderly and the disabled?

[Daniel_187]

Its not just $150 its more like $250. $100 for the class $150 for the permit. My Soon to be wife works a lot as a pet care provider/house sitter, and might have deal with 4 legged or 2 legged Predator. She is 4'11" and about 95 LBS. She should not have to jump through a bunch of BS just to protect herself. IE #1. She's at a dog park some Ass hat's "super freindly" dog wants to use her as a chew toy and mauls her to death. Or #2 she is at the dog park with a .380 in her pocket.(she works alot in Boulder so OC is not really a good Idea)

[alxone]

So on one hand you say "our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS", but on the other, you say "Making a 20 something single male jump through a few hoops is fine". So which is it man? EVERYBODY has the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, or only Single Women, the elderly and the disabled?

yes you are right , but at the same time i know when i was in my 20's as a single male (granted i did miss out on a bunch of it ) i found that the world still needed a lot of figuring out and i felt at the time and still feel , that having a gun on my person was/is not a good idea . But thats just me .Hell maybe younger people are now able to sit down and talk about there problems and know how to drink and know when to walk away , all that stuff you learn with age ( usually the hard way ). So not i dont think ill ever be comfortable with a 21 year old running the earth with a gun (with no training and no permit ) for no other reason than he feels the right to . Sorry i guess im a stick in the mud

[Byte Stryke]

Dusty,

How about this?

you must attend 20 hours of training a month, Each 10 hours is $200
(Thats ONLY $20/ Hour, Surely you can afford that). After all you don't need a new car, right?
This way we can insure that everyone with a gun is properly trained!


Oh, And we are changing voting as well. Lets make EVERYONE takes a civics class once a month at say, $100 so that we can all be responsible voters. It's ONLY another $100. Let's a permitted right like the second! 60 Days, BCI, Pull your voting records... Check your Civics class records... Ohh, and it will cost a few hundred dollars too.

While I am on a roll, Lets stop all of this irresponsible speech.
I tire of the "RU Ckn on dis?" text speech, and the "l337 5p33ch".
I think that had we had Licensing/Permits for Computers the Latest wikileaks fiasco would not have happened. it would prevent Al-Queda from communicating terrorist plans! GWB was right, a wiretap in every house is the only way to keep this nation safe!
Lets take away everyone's phones and computers and start limiting speech to those responsible enough to pay for licensing, BCIs, Monitoring and proper English classes.

Since we are at it, I am tired of all of these irresponsible drivers.
I know its not a right, so it should be easier not dealing with that pesky Bill of Rights/Constitution thing.
We have made it mandatory training to carry a firearm but not to zoom down the road in some over-sized monstrosity of a Truck that you didn't take your test in. lest make drivers training AND licenses more specific.
you have to train 40 hours a month on YOUR Car/Truck before driving, my god you test in a Prius and then think you can drive an F-350 lifted on those silly wheels? I Feel these new legislation will take irresponsible and untrained people out of the voting booth and off of the roads! Lets Make Annual training a requirement for that.


Because you know the ATFE and DMV and NSA aren't Bloated enough... More departments, fees and your tax-dollars would fix that right up and we would all feel safer
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[Byte Stryke]

You've been well indoctrinated. Don't you get it? It's not about "need".

You talk about some sort of subjective "need" out of one side of your mouth and "OUR RIGHTS" outta the other side.

How about, "We all NEED the government to stop infringing on OUR RIGHTS."

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Sadly, we only need a gun when its damned near too late, this is why its a right.








On a separate tangent, I am wondering if we have a lawyer that would be willing to argue the 3 that voted against it failed to uphold their oath of office by denying a constitutional right.
Of course this argument would take place in a state court.

[hurley842002]

Sadly, we only need a gun when its damned near too late, this is why its a right.

This is where you are wrong. If you are in your twenties, you should be enough of a bad ass, to take on any harm that may come your way. Not sure why you feel you need a gun, if your not Elderly, a single woman, or disabled, geez!

[Bailey Guns]

ill agree with that 100%

Just because its a right dose not mean that one should .

That's because each of us should have the right to exercise our rights. If we choose not to exercise a right it shouldn't be taken away. That happens in this country on a continual basis these days.

Aslo is it not the feeling of Need that decides our rights ??

Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,...

So the answer to this question is a big, fat NO! As Americans we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. Our rights don't come from "need".

I honestly do not agree with very many gun or drug laws but it was through the feeling of need (not mine ) that they were put in place .

OK...you got some 'splainin to do on that because that statement is way out there.

I see the cc law like this , Yes it should be my god givin right to have what ever i want in my pockets and Yes i feel a need to have that right. But no i do not feel the NEED to act on them .

OK...so simply put, YOU CHOOSE not to carry. It doesn't mean you don't NEED the right to have the means to defend yourself. It also doesn't mean the gov't should infringe upon that right because you choose not to exercise it.

Mostly think the laws are set up to hurt good people as bad people dont listen to them anyway .

Bingo. All because politicians felt a NEED to DO SOMETHING.

All the same i do feel the NEED to protect OUR RIGHTS

[alxone]

why cant they just make it like a drivers license , do a little training , take a test call it good . that way if you want one you can go one .of course nobody will agree with me that the age should be at least 25 and why not , 16 to drive , 21 to drink , 25 to conceal a gun . but at the same i also think you should be able to open carry at 21 . there should be no waiting period or rate of fire or mag limitations .
you tell me where or when there is organized resistance and what i can do to help, other than file more papers and throw money at it ,in my opinion these are not working . Shit you tell me where there is and organized state militia and ill join .
Its only my opinion about the reason to conceal a gun. It is also my opinion on reasons to carry one . Im all for everyone to open carry , then no one would feel the need to conceal right ?But then again thats my opinion