Anyone Know This Moron???

[SA Friday]

I am just going to watch. This is fun.

Wisdom of age. I saw both sides from the first post.

I will comment though, taking a stance that if you are drawing a firearm in defense, you are going to shoot it is foolish. I've pointed loaded weapons at people before. Fortunately for them and me, it's all it took. Sound judgements require flexibility.

[Irving]

SAFriday, did you watch the video I posted? Seems like Felony Menacing with a Deadly Weapon to me, but apparently that guy didn't get any gun related charges.

[Byte Stryke]

Wisdom of age. I saw both sides from the first post.

I will comment though, taking a stance that if you are drawing a firearm in defense, you are going to shoot it is foolish. I've pointed loaded weapons at people before. Fortunately for them and me, it's all it took. Sound judgements require flexibility.

sonova...
End of the world is coming. Get yer stuff together now.
Me and SA Friday agree.





you would be surprised how many bad-asses find humility when faced with reality.
yeah, tired of trying to explain all of this.
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[SA Friday]

SAFriday, did you watch the video I posted? Seems like Felony Menacing with a Deadly Weapon to me, but apparently that guy didn't get any gun related charges.

No I didn't. Based on the posts it's either not good enough to determine detail or a reproduction. Either way, I would see it as irrelevant.

Although I can see both sides of this issue, I ultimately agree with some others in this thread. Escalating to drawing a gun and threatening someone with their vehicle over a parking spot is just stupid.

If I were him, I doubt I would have drawn. But, the legality of self defense is based on the impression of the person defending themselves. Second guessing his impression for the need to defend himself is difficult in the best of conditions. Prosecuting everyone in this position is bad precidence too. I prefer prosecutors err to the side of the defender myself.

[Irving]

I posted a completely different video. It has nothing to do with this thread and is very short, and pretty clear cut; in my opinion.

And my video is short too.

[sniper7]

guess she shouldn't be trying to steal the mans parking spot.
i hate the people that try that shit. definitely not a draw down situation but I would love to watch a gust of wind push a cart into their Achilles heel or dent their car.

[Byte Stryke]

Are you not reading what people are saying?

FYI, another instance where use of deadly physical force is not authorized:

They are the initial aggressor. But, their use of physical force upon someone else could be justifiable if he withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other person his intent to do so, but the other person continues or threatens the continued use of unlawful physical force -- CRS 18.1.704:3

Why is it that my posts are backed up by logic and CO State law, while yours are based on new theoretical invented details and emotions, yet you say we have some sort of bias?????

OK Foxtrot... you win.
The Police reports do not say anywhere who the initial aggressor was.
but we will throw about some quotes of CRS makes it all ok.

[Irving]

I didn't really read many of the responses, but I'm on the "I'm not worried about who did/said what, because I don't believe what was reported anyway, but I know that I wouldn't be pulling my gun after getting out of my vehicle to yell at someone" wagon; if there is one.

Once you get out of your vehicle, you are voluntarily entering a situation that you could have easily driven away from. After you get out of your vehicle to go escalate a situation, you are the aggressor and you don't pull your gun. Of the millions of different ways a situation like that can end, there are maybe 1 or 2 that would allow you to legally draw a fire arm. It's pretty simple.

[bobbyfairbanks]

No F Bombs congratulations.


This thread has turned into a train wreck. If you where not there you don't and will not know what happened. Stop convicting this guy before he even goes to court. YOU WHERE NOT THERE!


Look No F Bombs either

Only because you think so. I started going to gunshows 45 years ago when I was 12. At one time I would have defended the rights of toothless hilljacks with IQ's lower than their shoe size the right to own firearms to the death. Now I have been forced to rethink my stance. I WILL NOT let my rights be taken away because of a stupid minority. I want to believe that most Americans have a cup full a brains. After a couple of times of putting my life on the line doing my job, I am starting to think that is not the case.

Oh look, no F bombs.

[Byte Stryke]

I was responding to your theoretical question, where you tried to pretend I was saying kill everybody and you said that your question was probably not even related, and you were asking about if the initial aggressor withdraws. So I quoted the exemption that deals with that exactly. Good lord, what the hell is wrong with you? Bad day at work?

"With intent to cause injury, you provoke the use of unlawful physical force by the other person" -- another exemption in CRS 18.1.704:3 that I've already been over, that DOES apply to this. Being the "initial aggressor" bears no relevance.

Don't step out of your car over road rage. Then have to pull a gun.
Why is anyone who carries a firearm disagreeing with that?

Don't step out of your car over road rage. Then have to pull a gun.
Simple enough concept.....

I REALLY dont see getting out of your car as "provoking"

but I Guess in a world where un-holstering a weapon in preparation of self defense is "use of deadly force."

we can sit here and debate what ifs and quote stuff all night.
facts remain, the whole thing stinks when he wasn't charged with anything until after she ran to the city council and then they couldn't even bring him up on a real charge...Ive seen weaker cases draw a felony menacing in a quick hurry. Instead they got him on a misdemeanor city ordinance, weak.
Which would also explain why the Sheriff wasn't knocking his door down over his CHP.

He was probably laughing too hard at the city council and the lawsuit they will be facing.