When do we stop f**king around, and declare thsis to be a war?

[Irving]

There are plenty of laws already, and there could be more, raising consequences if you hurt someone else while under the influence. Legal or not, people are still going to do meth and heroine, a TON of people do coke. Making it legal isn't going to make people run out and do it.

[flan7211]

Jails don't work so... I think they should just give the incarcerated their own city, like Detroit or New York, and let them govern themselves. Then like when Air Force One crashes and the CIC gets stranded there they can send in Snake Pliskin to save him. They should make a movie about that.

That's some good shit right there.

Legalization sounds great, but do you want drugs so non-nonchalantly bought and sold around your neighborhood? Now I know it happens anyways but legalization of even pot could only sustain itself for a short period of time. Social conservatives would drive it back and have a list of horror stories to go with it. No instead of thinking we can use the free market to work on these scum we need to hit them where it hurts. Get tough on illegal immigrants, harder on transporters, and kick gangs in the teeth. I would even support easing up on users but with a lot more pressure going on cross border drug transport.

Just guessing here but I imagine the border is a lot like the Ho Chi Minh Trail. A lot of there equipment and stockpiles are probably very close to the border. Even just one quick raid down there maybe 20 miles in with 3 or 4 Brigade Combat teams would do some serious damage to these pukes.

[bobbyfairbanks]

That's some good shit right there.

Legalization sounds great, but do you want drugs so non-nonchalantly bought and sold around your neighborhood? Now I know it happens anyways but legalization of even pot could only sustain itself for a short period of time. Social conservatives would drive it back and have a list of horror stories to go with it. No instead of thinking we can use the free market to work on these scum we need to hit them where it hurts. Get tough on illegal immigrants, harder on transporters, and kick gangs in the teeth. I would even support easing up on users but with a lot more pressure going on cross border drug transport.

Just guessing here but I imagine the border is a lot like the Ho Chi Minh Trail. A lot of there equipment and stockpiles are probably very close to the border. Even just one quick raid down there maybe 20 miles in with 3 or 4 Brigade Combat teams would do some serious damage to these pukes.

Do you realize that our country is 15 T in debt and inflation has made the dollar only have 10% of its buying power as it did in 1913. Where are we going to get the money to support going down that Rabbit hole?

[spyder]

There are plenty of laws already, and there could be more, raising consequences if you hurt someone else while under the influence. Legal or not, people are still going to do meth and heroine, a TON of people do coke. Making it legal isn't going to make people run out and do it.

I am giong to have to slightly disagree with you a lil stuving. Making some drugs legal is one thing like weed, fine, but others should stay where they are as illegal. You make certain things like, lets say, meth legal, and you will have a huge problem. The fact that it is illegal has kept it from being used by lots of people just because, well, it is illegal. You make it legal and I think it will be like alchohol, only when you try it the one time with your friends, you get addicted. Who here has tried alcohol? Who drank before legal age? Who smoked weed illegaly? See what I'm getting at? We also have to face a certain fact that the youth is getting dumber every damn day so counting on them to be smart enough not to try something like Meth is out of the question. That one time use and you're screwed thing is the ringer that should keep it and other drugs like it illegal. I don't think anyone who argues for all drugs to be legal has put any thought into just how dumb humans really are. You want to make a serious attempt at getting rid of a serious problem, you get serious about the punishment. You make or deal drugs, bullet to the head. You get caught using "hard" drugs, one of your hands comes off. No questions asked. See what the use rate goes down to after putting those laws into affect.

[Irving]

Marijuana is the only drug I've ever done. Not once, did I decide to not try some other drug because of its legal status. We won't have to put a bullet into the heads of people who do meth.

[spyder]

Do you realize that our country is 15 T in debt and inflation has made the dollar only have 10% of its buying power as it did in 1913. Where are we going to get the money to support going down that Rabbit hole?

You're kidding right? You think our gov. needs money to do whatever it wants?

[spyder]

Marijuana is the only drug I've ever done. Not once, did I decide to not try some other drug because of its legal status. We won't have to put a bullet into the heads of people who do meth.

The users just lose "ends" not their life. The scum that make and deal, they can go....... Stuving I was talking about the public in general, not you. The questions of use I guess were directed at everyone though.

[bobbyfairbanks]

I am giong to have to slightly disagree with you a lil stuving. Making some drugs legal is one thing like weed, fine, but others should stay where they are as illegal. You make certain things like, lets say, meth legal, and you will have a huge problem. The fact that it is illegal has kept it from being used by lots of people just because, well, it is illegal. You make it legal and I think it will be like alchohol, only when you try it the one time with your friends, you get addicted. Who here has tried alcohol? Who drank before legal age? Who smoked weed illegaly? See what I'm getting at? We also have to face a certain fact that the youth is getting dumber every damn day so counting on them to be smart enough not to try something like Meth is out of the question. That one time use and you're screwed thing is the ringer that should keep it and other drugs like it illegal. I don't think anyone who argues for all drugs to be legal has put any thought into just how dumb humans really are. You want to make a serious attempt at getting rid of a serious problem, you get serious about the punishment. You make or deal drugs, bullet to the head. You get caught using "hard" drugs, one of your hands comes off. No questions asked. See what the use rate goes down to after putting those laws into affect.

Ya so I would guess that you are ok with the large federal government violating the constitution when ever they would like to. Ever hear of propaganda? Not everyone that tries Meth is addicted to it and are going to have there fall out. Shit it would help our country out if we let the idiots kill them selves with drugs. The key in legalizing it is that you cannot give out any state or federal aid to those people.

[mcantar18c]

Do you realize that our country is 15 T in debt and inflation has made the dollar only have 10% of its buying power as it did in 1913. Where are we going to get the money to support going down that Rabbit hole?

LOL.... I suppose we could find some spare change between the illegal Libyan conflict and the billions of $$ we send out to other countries for absolutely no legit reason.
Our current gov't doesn't give a damn about money.

I am giong to have to slightly disagree with you a lil stuving. Making some drugs legal is one thing like weed, fine, but others should stay where they are as illegal. You make certain things like, lets say, meth legal, and you will have a huge problem. The fact that it is illegal has kept it from being used by lots of people just because, well, it is illegal. You make it legal and I think it will be like alchohol, only when you try it the one time with your friends, you get addicted. Who here has tried alcohol? Who drank before legal age? Who smoked weed illegaly? See what I'm getting at? We also have to face a certain fact that the youth is getting dumber every damn day so counting on them to be smart enough not to try something like Meth is out of the question. That one time use and you're screwed thing is the ringer that should keep it and other drugs like it illegal. I don't think anyone who argues for all drugs to be legal has put any thought into just how dumb humans really are. You want to make a serious attempt at getting rid of a serious problem, you get serious about the punishment. You make or deal drugs, bullet to the head. You get caught using "hard" drugs, one of your hands comes off. No questions asked. See what the use rate goes down to after putting those laws into affect.

Agreed. Its a shame we did away with corporal punishment.

Ya so I would guess that you are ok with the large federal government violating the constitution when ever they would like to. Ever hear of propaganda? Not everyone that tries Meth is addicted to it and are going to have there fall out. Shit it would help our country out if we let the idiots kill them selves with drugs. The key in legalizing it is that you cannot give out any state or federal aid to those people.

When did violating the Constitution come into play here?
Maybe not EVERYONE that tries meth, coke, heroin, etc. gets addicted, but most do. I won't say too much here cause I have no firsthand experience on the matter, but the fact is that the stuff IS extremely addictive. I do think that we should just remove the warning labels on everything and let the problem solve itself, but legalizing drugs like these is a no-no. It may kill off the less intelligent among us, but in doing so it'll turn the country into a meth-infested shithole.... in other words it'll turn any significantly populated area into Detroit.
And you don't need to legalize drugs to avoid giving aid to those people. Just put a "Do they use drugs?" box on the requirement list.

The thing I don't get is why people think that legalizing drugs will kill off the cartels. Doing away with the prohibition didn't kill off the mafias, just eliminated bootlegging from their list of means of income. Sure, it'll put a good sized dent in their wallets, but they'll just step up their efforts in other areas to compensate for it.

[Irving]

The mafia did turn to other ways to make money, but they weren't able to deal in something that 90% of the population was interested in.

I have so many more thoughts about this, but it's so late and I am so tired. Basically, drugs have been around since we've been around, and it hasn't been a crippling problem in the past. Not for long anyway. Things aren't the same as they were then though. You can't off a meth head for stealing your stuff like you could in the 1600's.