When do we stop f**king around, and declare thsis to be a war?

[spyder]

Spyder's signature line says it well: "If you make something idiot proof, someone will make a better idiot." People will always figure out how to get what they want. Outlawing something will not make it unobtainable....
(Hey Spyder - PM me your address, and I'll send you a copy of the book I mentioned earlier. It's a good read, even if you don't think you'll agree with it)

Thanks for quoting my signature line...I will get you my info, also, you should check out a book called "The Natural Mind", very interesting also.

No one said anything about "taxing the shit" out of drugs. Only losers suggest that. <>

I just read Spyder's post. You guys are clinging to a fairy tale fantasy. The people who are prone to doing drugs, already do them. No law in the world will stop them. The people who already don't do drugs, won't start doing them just because the laws change. Everyone knows someone who doesn't drink at all, 10x more people who do drink, but don't abuse, and roughly the same amount of people whom are alcoholics as those who don't drink at all. How do the laws play into those numbers?

The fact is, you CANNOT legislate behavior.

I'm not even going to bother with comparing a government body trying to enforce laws to raising a child. This is silliness. It'd be nice if passing a law could effect people's behavior, but it is a pipe dream.

I could tear apart the rest of the post as well (no offense to you Spyder, of course), but I frankly don't see the point. We are standing across a gap that we just can't bridge and until you are willing to accept reality, argument is futile. No one is saying that those of us who feel the way we do, like that point, it's just that we've come to accept the reality that we live in.

None taken, I like readin the other side of the arguement also. At least you don't post random dumb shit.

Spyder, I understand what you are trying to say, but it's not that easy, and believe me I have seen first hand the destruction of addiction in this country and abroad.....

My stand is from what I have seen first hand also. I have had to deal with a lot of those bastards and their families as a FRA. I have also spoke to kids at the care center my aunt lives at and kids at my friends school in her class. This is one of those topics that I have a very strong opinion on and will never change. I know everyone is different and sharing their opinions based upon their own experiences and thoughts, that is all I'm doing too. Also, you have to agree, the slap on the hand people get for breaking most laws is just pathetic though. To expect anyone who has their mind set on doing something that might be illegal to care about the punishments we deal out now is dumb.

Drugs like marijuana, opium, peyote, mushrooms, etc have been around for as long as we have, and laws against them are relatively new. As far as I know, we haven't been wiped out as a species because of them, nor has our development as a species been hindered in any way.

You are correct stuving, those are not the ones I am talking about though. Actually, peyote is a different kind of "high" that is quite interesting. I um, tried some on a res a few years back, different, was definately different.

I just wonder when the terrorists are going to figure out that, if they were to spike large amounts of heroin, cocaine, meth, pot, etc. with a poison such as ricin, and then slip that into the distribution network, they could achieve their goal of killing huge numbers of us Westerners. Ricin is very effective, and it only takes a tiny amount.

Think about that. A couple of spiked kilos into each of the underground drugstreams going to major cities all around the world, and people would be dropping like flies. And since it's illegal and underground to begin with, how difficult would it be to stop? Sounds like something the CIA would do.

I don't honestly think that is going to be a worry really. The ammount of money they would be losing by killing off their customers would be too great.

I just state one side of the arguement. Yes I know there are both sides and until the government chooses one way or another (way harsher punishments, or legalizing it) no one can know which way will work or fail. We can all agree that what they are doing right now is a pathetic waste of time and money which seems to be our governments motto. No one is afraid of the consequences as it is for making, dealing, or using because our government is ran by a bunch of pussies who think that prisons should be like luxery hotels. There is something wrong here and I don't think that saying it is ok to skirt the problem is the way to solve it. That is just my stance and like I said, I could be wrong.