"No Knock Raid"

[BigMat]

If I was in Law enforcement, movies like this, in threads like this would scare the hell out of me. As the Right moves more right and the Left stays very left. Law enforcement is running out of friends every time things like this happen. This is doubly bad when the budget is what it is. When the axe starts to drop and the LE budget comes up, there isn't gonna be anyone in their corner but Big Brother types and LEOs, not a very big voting block. I personally would rather put a leash on the SWAT teams than loose my pension.

Honestly, you watch a movie like this, then decide, how do we fix government spending, and truth be told LE budgets may make the list all the sudden.

Sad state for the guys on the ground, it would make for a hell of a place to work. "No one likes me because of speeding tickets and no one trusts me because of the mall ninjas on the force" That's not fun. Especially when you work in public service. I sure a firefighter/EMT/teacher has never had a thought like that.

Makes me wish we could do government agency interventions, "we like you guys, you do good stuff, but honestly, this SWAT shit is out of control. Fix it and it will help you."

[bryjcom]

Makes me wish we could do government agency interventions, "we like you guys, you do good stuff, but honestly, this SWAT shit is out of control. Fix it and it will help you."

That is exactly how I feel. There is no general hatred of cops in my heart. I know they perform a very important service, but like you said, this SWAT stuff is out of control.

[OneGuy67]

If I was in Law enforcement, movies like this, in threads like this would scare the hell out of me. As the Right moves more right and the Left stays very left. Law enforcement is running out of friends every time things like this happen. This is doubly bad when the budget is what it is. When the axe starts to drop and the LE budget comes up, there isn't gonna be anyone in their corner but Big Brother types and LEOs, not a very big voting block. I personally would rather put a leash on the SWAT teams than loose my pension.

Honestly, you watch a movie like this, then decide, how do we fix government spending, and truth be told LE budgets may make the list all the sudden.

Sad state for the guys on the ground, it would make for a hell of a place to work. "No one likes me because of speeding tickets and no one trusts me because of the mall ninjas on the force" That's not fun. Especially when you work in public service. I sure a firefighter/EMT/teacher has never had a thought like that.

Makes me wish we could do government agency interventions, "we like you guys, you do good stuff, but honestly, this SWAT shit is out of control. Fix it and it will help you."

If you are swayed by the mis-information in a liberal singer's song, then I'm glad you don't have any control on the purse string's in any government entity. Did you even listen to the words? "Victimless Crime"...really? Are illegal drugs and their use a victimless crime? Tell that to the tons of people who have had their identity's stolen, have had their homes burglarized, cars stolen, etc. to feed the drug habit of some deadbeats. Are they not victims? Don't they deserve some "justice"?

No knock search warrants for marijuana? Ain't happening. The KGB equals the DEA and you will disappear to Guatanamo Bay. Yeah...that's were we put all our people arrested for selling/using drugs. Man, Cuba must be just PACKED with our unwanted people!!

Big Mat, I am a cop and I can see this 'song' for what it is. Garbage.

I just got back from spending a few weeks in Haiti with the U.S. Army. Because of the military, I've been able to visit a bunch of countries who do not share our ideas about civil liberties and freedoms and I've seen first hand things I know would not happen here in this country. I witnessed first hand armed gangs walking the ghettos of Port-Au-Prince with rifles and only the U.N. Soldiers (from Argentina, currently) being the only opposing force. The Haitian police are afraid and undergunned to handle the problems (.38 revolvers on their hips). I've witnessed their form of criminal justice when a civilian killed a person with his vehicle and the suspect was sentenced and hung within hours of the accident. I've witnessed the extreme poverty there and the lack of government intervention to aid their countrymen. There is ONE paved road in Haiti. ONE! It goes from Port-Au-Prince all the way up the coastline and was paid for by the French. Sickening. Saddening.

I and my team were in a small hospital in St. Marc where we witnessed 2-4 deaths a night from Cholera, T.B. and end stage HIV/AIDS, not to mention the horrific injuries occuring due to their modes of transportation. The hospital does not 'waste' drugs on people dying; they allow them to expire. There is no hospice. The family members are required to care for their family members in the hospital; bed sheet changing, feeding, bed pan changing, etc. The family members sleep next to the beds in the crowded rooms or outside on benches or the ground. The money for this hospital did not come from the Haitian government; it came from the U.S., specifically from Bill Clinton's non-profit foundation.

You think our system of government is bad and getting worse, get involved. If you think you are being tyranized, go visit another country like Haiti, Jordan, Syria, Panama, Iraq, Kuwait (these are the latest countries I've had the pleasure of visiting thanks to Uncle Sam), Indonesia, Equador, Honduras, Brazil, etc., etc., and have a reminder of exactly HOW DAMN GOOD YOU HAVE IT HERE IN THE U.S.!!!

[Byte Stryke]

I Seriously get sick of the "Look how bad it is over there." Argument.
That's there, this is here. Their fathers and grandfathers didn't bleed on battlefields liberating this country and others.
Their forefathers didn't set a set of rules into place to defend their rights and liberties.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."""

A No-Knock at any address for anything short of a PRESENT hostage Life-Death situation is unreasonable.
the argument of "possibly armed" and Maybe dangerous is a load of shit and nothing but an excuse to further the ass-raping of the constitution.

Use common sense, too many people are dying and no one is held accountable in the name of "no knock warrants."

you want to compare here to there?


No more anchor babies
caught 2nd time as an illegal, execution in public.
eye for an eye, life for a life
Aldultery is punishable by public stoning
no welfare. work or die.
Thieves lose arms. Liars lose tongue.
All natural minerals and resources are property of the original inhabitants/Natives.


Ive been on every continent on the planet.

Here isnt the same as there for a reason.

[OneGuy67]

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."""

Great quote. Now remember, the Constitution was created as a limit to the intusion of the FEDERAL government upon the citizenry. Last time I checked, all those cops you rant about aren't under the employ of the feds...

[bryjcom]

Great quote. Now remember, the Constitution was created as a limit to the intusion of the FEDERAL government upon the citizenry. Last time I checked, all those cops you rant about aren't under the employ of the feds...

Last I checked States have to obey the bill of rights. Remember that they are not allowed, anymore, to infringe on our god given rights.

Unless you want to advocate for the ability of states to infringe on our right to bear arms, then I would reconsider your thoughts on the above post.

[OneGuy67]

Last I checked States have to obey the bill of rights. Remember that they are not allowed, anymore, to infringe on our god given rights.

Unless you want to advocate for the ability of states to infringe on our right to bear arms, then I would reconsider your thoughts on the above post.

You are right! Now, can you tell me what forces the states to comply with the Constitution?

And Bryan, read our own state Constitution. It mentions something about not being able to carry concealed...Interesting stuff!

[bryjcom]

You are right! Now, can you tell me what forces the states to comply with the Constitution?

And Bryan, read our own state Constitution. It mentions something about not being able to carry concealed...Interesting stuff!

My statement was in response to your response to a different statement that the 4th amendment protects us against unreasonable search and seizure. Your statement basically says that the 4th doesn't apply to non federal LEOs and then you turn around and say that we are right???

You aren't making sense.

I don't understand why you think 10s of thousands of No Knock Raids are somehow justified??? The last figure I saw was 50,000 No Knocks were conducted in 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-knock_warrant

Your telling me that out of those 50,000, all of them were justified and none of them were unreasonable and were excessive force??

[BigMat]

Great quote. Now remember, the Constitution was created as a limit to the intusion of the FEDERAL government upon the citizenry. Last time I checked, all those cops you rant about aren't under the employ of the feds...

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I almost don't want to say it-

What did your department take an oath to? A McDonalds Menu?

Maybe yours didn't and I'm wrong and this can be explored further, but really, that's your argument? The Constitution doesn't apply to us. The slippery slope you just posed is, amazing.

Gun laws and the Constitution, here in Colorado, in Denver even. Its a good read about a court case, and our gun rights.

[OneGuy67]

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I almost don't want to say it-

What did your department take an oath to? A McDonalds Menu?

Maybe yours didn't and I'm wrong and this can be explored further, but really, that's your argument? The Constitution doesn't apply to us. The slippery slope you just posed is, amazing.

Gun laws and the Constitution, here in Colorado, in Denver even. Its a good read about a court case, and our gun rights.

No. I was waiting for someone to correct me with the right response instead of rhetoric!