CCW in action...

[Chad4000]

I also have a 45 and carry 230 grain Golden Sabers, but who knows if a 45 would have had a different outcome. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten off three good shots that fast with a 45. I'm not a 40 short and weak shooter, but I'm sure those 165's don't kick as hard. I'd just say that's one lucky BG that he took three shots and lived. Bet he was bleeding out like a SOB. Probably have to give props to great paramedics for saving this boozo's life.

Or just lay the blame it on being a plastic glock with no safety for the poor performance. Where's the guy who moved to DC that likes to call me an asshat cause he drinks his Glock grape Koolaid. I'm waiting....

Lol I was going to say something about the caliber debate too but decided against haha. It's funny cause I have a hi cap 9mm and a 1911, and I haven't quite decided but I think I'm more comfortable having the 9mm as my go to gun.

All in all, this guy did great, is a hero, and it is sad the bg lived. maybe we can take the bg around to schools and show him off as a deterrent to kids. (you guys remember that wrecked car they used to take around to the schools before proms or something to show what would happen if you drove drunk? Lol)

[BigMat]

This guy looked like he held it together really well considering. from drawing while covered to pushing the other clerk down with his weak side elbow, and then putting three into the guy.

As to the hand gun caliber thing, the only wounds I've ever seen, in real life, that gets you DRT, is a shotgun. Rifles do some damage with good hits, but I never treated a rifle wound patient (that may mean something). Handguns suck, all of them, get the one you can shoot best. I never went on a call of a hand gun wound and found a dead patient, including 2 head wound suicide attempts. On the other hand, I went on 2 shotgun wound calls , and they were both dead before they hit the ground (we got turned around before we hit the door, as in No Exam Needed). I know this is far from scientific, but as far as handgun wounds in people, never been super impressed, they get people out of the fight and on the ground just fine, but rarely dead right there.

If someone has some experience to discredit this throw it out there, an ambulance in Arizona isn't the end all be all of wound data.

[rondog]

Nice job

Someone m antioning about carrying handloads... You guys think it is allright ?

That was me, and it don't bother me none. I've never understood the hand-wringing about carrying ammo you made yourself, unless we're talking about uber-hot loads with drilled out hollowpoints filled with mercury. I handload nearly all the ammo I shoot, except .22's, I just don't like buying factory ammo when I have tons of supplies right here.

From what I've read, your major concern should be whether a s/d shooting was justified, not the source of your ammo.

[Hannu]

I load all my other ammo, but not CCW and .22 lr...

I _heard_ about problems in defensive situation because someone had handloaded ammo, but no idea if it is urban legend or fact ?
And this was with typical handloaded .45 ACP JHP (if Iremember right Gold Dot), we should leave mercury etc. tricks we should leave to gangbangers etc. people anyway

Anyway I would love to load all my ammo expect .22 lr, just to make it 120% reliable with oal tweaking etc.
Anyone else have an opinion ? KevDen2005 or other LE officers ?

[lead_magnet]

I say GOOD FREAKIN JOB!!! I'd take that guy with me into the depths of hell. He should be proud of himself, but probably isn't.

On a side note...would it have looked bad in court if you piss on the dead guy? Just a question.

[Byte Stryke]

This guy looked like he held it together really well considering. from drawing while covered to pushing the other clerk down with his weak side elbow, and then putting three into the guy.

As to the hand gun caliber thing, the only wounds I've ever seen, in real life, that gets you DRT, is a shotgun. Rifles do some damage with good hits, but I never treated a rifle wound patient (that may mean something). Handguns suck, all of them, get the one you can shoot best. I never went on a call of a hand gun wound and found a dead patient, including 2 head wound suicide attempts. On the other hand, I went on 2 shotgun wound calls , and they were both dead before they hit the ground (we got turned around before we hit the door, as in No Exam Needed). I know this is far from scientific, but as far as handgun wounds in people, never been super impressed, they get people out of the fight and on the ground just fine, but rarely dead right there.

If someone has some experience to discredit this throw it out there, an ambulance in Arizona isn't the end all be all of wound data.

So what you are saying is that I can cancel my wrongful death insurance...

[CapLock]

0 experince with even seeing a person shot. I have used JHP ammo on rabbits and other small game out of a handgun. I know that Golden Sabers out of a 45 make a mess of cotton tails. Rifles with any kind of expanding bullets and there ain't much left.
Do you think that your experince with gunshot wounds is typically FMJ ammo bigmatt?

Like military 5.56 not being reliable to drop insurgents. I don't think it would be the same if they could use a 60 grain V max. I'd assume even arm and leg hits would be lethal pretty quick.

[BigMat]

0 experince with even seeing a person shot. I have used JHP ammo on rabbits and other small game out of a handgun. I know that Golden Sabers out of a 45 make a mess of cotton tails. Rifles with any kind of expanding bullets and there ain't much left.
Do you think that your experince with gunshot wounds is typically FMJ ammo bigmatt?

Like military 5.56 not being reliable to drop insurgents. I don't think it would be the same if they could use a 60 grain V max. I'd assume even arm and leg hits would be lethal pretty quick.

I'm not sure, never found a bullet or stayed long enough for them to dig them out. All the pistol rounds could have been FMJs very easily, or Self defense loads for that matter. All we ever knew was pistol/rifle/shotgun, as that was easy to tell, and sometimes caliber. I know its not scientific, but dead vs. not-dead was enough ballistic table for me.

[sniper7]

all this info makes me thing a 4 inch barrel 870 with 00 buck is the perfect CCW!

[sniper7]

That was me, and it don't bother me none. I've never understood the hand-wringing about carrying ammo you made yourself, unless we're talking about uber-hot loads with drilled out hollowpoints filled with mercury. I handload nearly all the ammo I shoot, except .22's, I just don't like buying factory ammo when I have tons of supplies right here.

From what I've read, your major concern should be whether a s/d shooting was justified, not the source of your ammo.

so the napalm bullets that I carry that are laced with AIDS and West Nile virus aren't exactly okay?