Mosque ban in TN

[Ranger]

Christianity is the boodiest thing EVER to grace the face of this planet barring the gigantic meteor that killed everything (you creationists can ignore that last statement.)

Spoken like a true atheist. Perhaps you are are agnostic, but that last statement really says otherwise.

Personally I think if we get rid of ALL organized religion this planet would be a much better place.

Whether you choose to believe or not, and to make sure I'm stating my position clearly - I do, at the very core of religion are generally good values and if belief in those values make a person a better person then I think religion has served a good purpose. Without these values then murder would be OK because there are no societal norms based on religion that would have banned it. Many laws of this country and in many ways this country itself could have been lawless without Christianity.

Since the basic principal of most religions is acceptance, love and compassion, these are all apparently bad things to you (and others that believe the same thing). In order to support your side of the equation you are quick to point out how the various religions have committed heinous acts but of course fail to point out those committed by the non religious. That is the same as saying all priests are child molesters when, in fact, they represent a VERY small percentage of priests but be sure to put the spotlight on those that are in order to make your point that region is corrupt and evil.

How many poor have you fed or clothed in your lifetime? And I don't mean that you gave to charity, but actually provided for them? This is the mission of many religious orders and man aren't they evil for doing it?

So go on believing your double rainbows or whatever the heck else you believe in and I'll keep putting my FAITH behind the core values that people of all walks tend to support more - like doing my best to be an honest, forgiving and loving person but accepting that I am human and will falter.

Atheists always sound like liberals to me (and I believe most probably are), in that the only information they have is their talking points that justify their position but know absolutely nothing about the actual topics or issues themselves. Now you may not be an atheist yourself, but you sure hate religion for no real reason other than your talking points.

Oh, and by the way, I was a hard core atheist for a long time, so I'm not speaking as someone who doesn't understand their position and rationale.

An in order to keep on topic, I believe in freedom of religion and I know that muslims are FAR more peaceful than the radicals that are brought to the forefront. How many other constitutional rights should we give up? Might as well throw out the 2nd amendment too, since we are just tearing up the constitution.

[Ranger]

No way the inquisition, crusades, other messed up Christian causes killed that many.

And don't forget that while the inquisition was wrong (yes, Christians can be wrong of course), the crusades were the Catholic reaction to the Muslims killing all who didn't convert - so thank God for the crusades or we would all be worshiping Muhammad!

[Zundfolge]

Whether you choose to believe or not, and to make sure I'm stating my position clearly - I do, at the very core of religion are generally good values and if belief in those values make a person a better person then I think religion has served a good purpose.

I'm a Christian and I have absolutely no problem with any religion EXCEPT Islam.

Islam is not just a religion, its also a political, economic and legal system. It CAN NOT coexist peacefully with other religions, political systems, economic systems or legal systems. Period. This is by design.

EVERY other religion on Earth has within it the ability to peacefully coexist with its non believing neighbors (that doesn't mean they always do, but it is still possible). ONLY Islam orders its adherents to kill or convert all of humanity and establish a global theocracy.

Islam is an existential threat to every other belief system on the planet.

[Ranger]

EVERY other religion on Earth has within it the ability to peacefully coexist with its non believing neighbors (that doesn't mean they always do, but it is still possible). ONLY Islam orders its adherents to kill or convert all of humanity and establish a global theocracy.

I'm not versed well enough in Islam to agree or disagree with you. I have read only small portions of the Quran and haven't see this. I do know that Muslims are followers of Islam and I've known many good Muslims.

[Ronin13]

Ok time to drop some scholarly knowledge about our burkha wearing, towel headed friends...
In the early years (remember the Qua'ran doesn't go in chronological order) of Mohammad's life he was peaceful and considered all those of the book (Holy Bible, Torah) to be tolerated and accepted as worshiping the same God. He stated that the Jew and the Christian were true believers and that they should be granted peace. Those who didn't believe (this included Taoists, Buddhists, etc.) were to be given a chance to learn the ways of God. Later in life Mohammad became very rich, very powerful, and had his own army in tow. He became a very wealthy warlord in what is now Jordan and his tone soon changed. That is when he started preaching that those who didn't follow the way of Islam, and those that didn't accept Allah as the one true God were vipers and must be rooted and killed in the same way (cut off the head). The belief behind cutting off the head was so the victim would be unable to find paradise (heaven) or God. He preached for years that all believers of Allah (read: Muslims) must teach the non-believers (by this point defined as non-Muslims) the ways of Islam and have them call out "There is no God but God, and Mohammad is his prophet," in order to convert. Those that were steadfast in their non-belief of Islam and it's ways were to be found and killed.
Jihad- Holy war in the name of Islam, at first was defend your belief from those trying to eradicate it, later became going after those who don't follow Islam. Near the end of his life Mohammad issued a Fatwa against the Roman Catholic church and told his followers to root them out of the Holy Land (modern day Israel). Then he soon spoke out against the Jews. Thus that is where these nut cases get their antisemitism today.
Trust not one of these cowardly heathens:

“If you have made a treaty with infidels who are honorable, do not break the treaty until after the holy months are past. Then fight them and kill them wherever you find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and ambush them... after all, honorable men deserve to be betrayed, ambushed, and murdered!"

"And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

There is no other interpretation of this. It is not like the Bible where it can be interpreted metaphorically, or contextually... many Imams I have met have said "the Qua'ran is not open to interpretation, it is a literal edict from Mohammad himself and will be followed to the letter, otherwise one is not a true Muslim." I am weary of all who follow Islam, and trust none because they all smile now, but one day... It was taught earlier when the crusades were going on, "wait until the armies of Allah are strong, then strike. If not strong enough, be peaceable with the non-believers until you gain enough strength to destroy them." -Tactic of Takiya

[Zundfolge]

I've known many good Muslims.

Same here. I have known a handful of Muslims for years and they openly denounce the violence of the Jihadists.

Therefore they are either heritics of their own faith, or practicing Takiya.

Therein lies the problem. Since lying to infidels (a component of Takiya) is not only permitted, but in some cases ordered, you really can't trust anyone that considers themselves a follower of Mohammad and in submission to Allah.


Again this all points back to my original point, which is that the only way the west can ever effectively deal with Islam is to abandon our own core values and just wipe them out. I think some here have misunderstood me and think I am CALLING for this genocide ... I am not. I would rather western culture fall than abandon our principals.

I'm just pointing out the conundrum.

[Ronin13]

Same here. I have known a handful of Muslims for years and they openly denounce the violence of the Jihadists.

Therefore they are either heritics of their own faith, or practicing Takiya.

Therein lies the problem. Since lying to infidels (a component of Takiya) is not only permitted, but in some cases ordered, you really can't trust anyone that considers themselves a follower of Mohammad and in submission to Allah.


Again this all points back to my original point, which is that the only way the west can ever effectively deal with Islam is to abandon our own core values and just wipe them out. I think some here have misunderstood me and think I am CALLING for this genocide ... I am not. I would rather western culture fall than abandon our principals.

I'm just pointing out the conundrum.

This is a conundrum! What do we do when there are "enough" Muslims in America that they decide now is the time to take over and enact Sharia Law into our legal system? How about when they make our wives, girlfriends, daughters, etc start wearing burkhas? What happens to those of us who refuse to submit to Islam and refuse to pray 5x a day? Freedom is fragile and I tell you one thing, if I have to lead the anti-Islam revolt whenever they do take over I'll say this: I will die a free man, I will not live in submission!

[BPTactical]

This is a conundrum! What do we do when there are "enough" Muslims in America that they decide now is the time to take over and enact Sharia Law into our legal system? How about when they make our wives, girlfriends, daughters, etc start wearing burkhas? What happens to those of us who refuse to submit to Islam and refuse to pray 5x a day? Freedom is fragile and I tell you one thing, if I have to lead the anti-Islam revolt whenever they do take over I'll say this: I will die a free man, I will not live in submission!

What do we do if ????????
Lead will fly.

Shit, my Ol Lady will kick their ass if they try to make her wear a Burkha!
That right there should scare the hell outta them.

[bellavite1]

Ya, now I'm an atheist? Didn't know that. I'll go tell my family now.
No, I'm not an atheist, but my personal opinion on organized religion is not a good one. Was it needed at some point in history? Possibly, but that is debateable. The way it looks to me now is a propaganda tool to get the votes of the feeble minded that believe whatever they hear, and to push a personal agenda on other people while at the same time wasting money on pointless causes.

And I guess I'm just some ol moron that knows nothing about world history or religion. I really should get my money back for those theology classes. I admit I probably mis-spoke when I said that christianity was the bloodiest thing, while I should have said religion in general. Yes, that is debatable also with the world wars, slave trade, and wars fought over land/politics, etc. It can't be denied though that throughout history millions upon millions have been killed in the name of organized religion. Many for the simple problem of symantics. The "my god is better than yours" or the "convert or die" excuse gets old after a few thousand years. Hence my complete lack of faith in any type of organized religion. Although it may be wrong in christianity to "force to convert", a very large amount of the christians in the past didn't get that memo.

Having a law/ban/whatever you want to call it on the books would be just another step into destroying this country.

I was playing the devils advocate, I could give two squirts of warm piss what religion someone is. I do think being called a godless moron was a bit uncalled for though. There are two sides to everything, and if you believe that christianity is peaceful and doesn't have an extremely bloody history, you need to do some reasearch.


I'm done with this subject, it can be argued endlessly until everyone is dead from old age or boredom. (or religious war!! (just kidding ))

+1: every religion claims to be the ONLY real religion.Everybody else is wrong and they are THE DEVIL.
This is because economical power comes with religion and everybody wants the power.
Some people at the bottom may genuinely believe, but the ones on top know way too well what they are doing.

[Zundfolge]

+1: every religion claims to be the ONLY real religion.Everybody else is wrong and they are THE DEVIL.

I never understood why people object to this. Why would I believe in a religion if I didn't believe it was right?

Keep in mind that there is a huge difference between "If you disagree with me, when you die you'll got to hell." and "If you disagree with me I'll kill you!" In the case of Islam, its the latter (and any Christian that claims that second position is in direct violation of Christ's teachings).

This is because economical power comes with religion and everybody wants the power.
Some people at the bottom may genuinely believe, but the ones on top know way too well what they are doing.

This assumes that YOUR religious belief (which appears to be atheism) is the "ONLY real religion".

Most folk (top to bottom) that claim a religion say they believe it because they actually DO believe it. That's the essence of faith. Your glib cynicism notwithstanding.