9 Mm Vs 45 Acp

[Atrain1]

At least if its a 9mm you won't have to worry about it too much cause it won't actually do anything serious. Just pray it ain't a .45 though, if you so much as get hit in the arm with a .45 you're screwed.

My brother got shot 2 times once in the foot and the other through the side of his stomach. Now he was told if it would have been something other than a 9mm, like a 45 that the window would not have deflected the one that was in his head rest and the 6 that were in the door would have probably got through, now onto the 2 that hit him and the one that they left in, yes if it would have been a 45 he would not have had a foot most likley, and the one that went into his stomach would have more of a devistating affect.

[SA Friday]

At least if its a 9mm you won't have to worry about it too much cause it won't actually do anything serious. Just pray it ain't a .45 though, if you so much as get hit in the arm with a .45 you're screwed.

I've been to three autopsies involving shooting victims. They all had two things in common, they were all dead and they were all shot by 9x19 caliber pistols. Two were even shot by ball ammo. Te highest shot count of the three victims was six shots.

I also worked an attempted homicide where the victim was shot by a full mag of 45 ACP, PMC Surefire ammo. All but one round was a thoracic cavity hit. All rounds mushroomed that hit him but one. That one round passed through is right lung. The victim died a year and a half later due to complications from the shooting.

So, I still think it's logical to hedge your bets, but I've seen both calibers do the job. Most damage I've ever seen to a human is a tie; a 12 gauge at point blank, and a 44 mag at point blank. In the terms of war, well, that's another matter.

[Atrain1]

I've been to three autopsies involving shooting victims. They all had two things in common, they were all dead and they were all shot by 9x19 caliber pistols. Two were even shot by ball ammo. Te highest shot count of the three victims was six shots.

I also worked an attempted homicide where the victim was shot by a full mag of 45 ACP, PMC Surefire ammo. All but one round was a thoracic cavity hit. All rounds mushroomed that hit him but one. That one round passed through is right lung. The victim died a year and a half later due to complications from the shooting.

So, I still think it's logical to hedge your bets, but I've seen both calibers do the job. Most damage I've ever seen to a human is a tie; a 12 gauge at point blank, and a 44 mag at point blank. In the terms of war, well, that's another matter.

There have also been stories of people trying to commit suicide with a 12 gauge and lived through it, so I guess it just comes down to how lucky you are. I forgot about a guy I knew thought having the biggest gun is what mattered the most, and he had a colt python with a 10 inch barrel, when he was at a bar and tried pulling it the other guy got out his 25 alot faster and the guy with the python was dead from 1 shot to the chest.

[mcantar18c]

My brother got shot 2 times once in the foot and the other through the side of his stomach. Now he was told if it would have been something other than a 9mm, like a 45 that the window would not have deflected the one that was in his head rest and the 6 that were in the door would have probably got through,

1. Told by who? A cop that gets a little bit of training through his dept. and by no means an expert on ballistics? Or a surgeon that knows jack shit about guns other than people use them to keep him in business?
2. Have you ever shot a car before? Seen the effects for yourself? The common average sized handgun rounds (excludes smaller than 9mm, larger than .45, and magnums) do very similar things with similar bullets... in this situation, its the bullet type that makes a difference.
3. Its not the smaller caliber that saved his head. Its the lack of training and skill of the guy behind the gun.

now onto the 2 that hit him and the one that they left in, yes if it would have been a 45 he would not have had a foot most likley, and the one that went into his stomach would have more of a devistating affect.

Again, who the hell told you this? Its the placement of a shot that would effect this, not the caliber (again, excluding magnums and such). If the bullet passes in between tendons and such in his foot, then it passes in between them. Contrary to popular belief, the .45ACP round does not have some magical mind of its own that seeks out the most damaging places to hit.
Again, this is more dependent on bullet type too. An expanding/frangible bullet will do more damage/has a better chance of inflicting serious damage than a ball round.

There have also been stories of people trying to commit suicide with a 12 gauge and lived through it, so I guess it just comes down to how lucky you are. I forgot about a guy I knew thought having the biggest gun is what mattered the most, and he had a colt python with a 10 inch barrel, when he was at a bar and tried pulling it the other guy got out his 25 alot faster and the guy with the python was dead from 1 shot to the chest.

Sounds like he rubbed off on you quite a bit.

[Mick-Boy]

Anecdotes are a very stupid way to choose a defensive handgun.

Nothing man-protable can gaurantee a one shot stop.

Carry (for god sakes carry, a badass pistol isn't going to do a damn thing for you if it's sitting in your safe) what ever you shoot the best.

Load you pistol with modern defensive loads.

Train, train and train some more.

Maintain your situational awareness.

Don't do stupid things, hang out in stupid places or spend time around stupid people.

Then if the day ever comes when you need to use the pistol maybe, maybe it'll be enough.

[sneakerd]

Sounds like Mick-boy has been hanging out with Andy Stanford.

[mcantar18c]

Anecdotes are a very stupid way to choose a defensive handgun.

Nothing man-protable can gaurantee a one shot stop.

Carry (for god sakes carry, a badass pistol isn't going to do a damn thing for you if it's sitting in your safe) what ever you shoot the best.

Load you pistol with modern defensive loads.

Train, train and train some more.

Maintain your situational awareness.

Don't do stupid things, hang out in stupid places or spend time around stupid people.

Then if the day ever comes when you need to use the pistol maybe, maybe it'll be enough.

AMEN.
2 things....
1. I see you've become familiar with the 3S rule
2. Half disagree on the man-portable firepower one shot stop thing. Big-bore high power rifles and certain 12ga loads come to mind... I don't see anybody getting up from a center mass hit from a .50BMG or a 12ga magnum load. But as handguns go, absolutely true.

[Atrain1]

Anecdotes are a very stupid way to choose a defensive handgun.

Nothing man-protable can gaurantee a one shot stop.

Carry (for god sakes carry, a badass pistol isn't going to do a damn thing for you if it's sitting in your safe) what ever you shoot the best.

Load you pistol with modern defensive loads.

Train, train and train some more.

Maintain your situational awareness.

Don't do stupid things, hang out in stupid places or spend time around stupid people.

Then if the day ever comes when you need to use the pistol maybe, maybe it'll be enough.

put very well

[Mick-Boy]

My dad taught me the three S's when I was a youngster.

I'd agree with you on the .50 BMG. A 12GA.... I don't know. After spending some time talking to LEOs who've had a lot of experience behind a 12GA I'm just going to maintain my "shoot them to the ground" plan. No matter what weapon is in my hands.

[Atrain1]

Sounds like he rubbed off on you quite a bit.

I never said that smaller rounds wont do the job, I will still stick with my 45 and my 10mm oh and we cant forget the 44 magnum but that is my own opinion and the 9mm is his. This has been an argument I would amagine every since the 2 rounds have been around. I choose bigger rounds and will believe they will do more damage, and as far as my brother it was the balistics guy that said that the window deflected the smaller round, and the the doctor the said he was lucky it was not a bigger bullet for 2 reasons first was it would have caused more damage, and I will ask him what the second reason was, if my memory is correct I believe if it was bigger they would have had to gone in to get it.