stupid question

[COLOSHOOTR]

it doesn't matter if you're legal or not, you can not trust that the Denver PD won't teach you a harsh lesson.

Not really... I don't know why you all seem to buy the news and all think Denver Cops are so heavy handed and are such a holes. I bet you guys believe the news when they talk about all those fully automatic rifles and handguns that are used in crimes here! There was a lot more to all those recent incidents involving DPD then they broadcast on the news and put in the paper. In one of those incidents , specifically the Denver Diner, the entire incident was within Denver PD policy and none of the cops I know (Those cops are not just with DPD they are with other agencies including out of state ones) think they did anything wrong. The reason for termination was the Manager of Safety felt they were being dishonest because they said AB&C happened in this order covering all points but actually AC&B happened in that order. When you get mobbed by a group of people it's not easy to remember if you cuffed up person one or two first and if you had to push person 6 away before spraying person 4 with pepper spray. Anyone who's been in a fight before knows that after it's all over you probably won't remember if your 6th punch was a jab with your left or a right hook.... I'm just really tired of all the cop bashing by the media and how DPD and APD are all considered thugs by gun owners who should know the media is full of it rather then eating up everything they say.

Now that my rant is done.....Denver Officers hired 2005-2007 were actually instructed in the academy to lay off Open carry due to the home rule dispute with the state and the court case. You would likely be told to put it away as long as you checked out okay and would probably only ever see charges on it if you decide to have an attitude and refuse. On the other hand it's never wise to ignore the law even if you don't agree with it.

I'm not a fan of OC anyway because you no longer have surprise on your hand.... Example you are in a bank/store during a take over style robbery (they are on the rise). Five suspects enter the store armed with long guns and hand guns. They see you with your gun visible on your hip you now became the first target. The BG could also mistake you as a Police Officer since most of society thinks cop when they see an openly displayed firearm. A CCW is the way to go so you have the advantage of not being spotted and ID'd as the first guy to shoot in the above situation. If OC was really a good thing don't you think most off duty cops would carry in the open and agencies would mandate it?

[alxone]

Not really... I don't know why you all seem to buy the news and all think Denver Cops are so heavy handed and are such a holes. I bet you guys believe the news when they talk about all those fully automatic rifles and handguns that are used in crimes here! There was a lot more to all those recent incidents involving DPD then they broadcast on the news and put in the paper. In one of those incidents , specifically the Denver Diner, the entire incident was within Denver PD policy and none of the cops I know (Those cops are not just with DPD they are with other agencies including out of state ones) think they did anything wrong. The reason for termination was the Manager of Safety felt they were being dishonest because they said AB&C happened in this order covering all points but actually AC&B happened in that order. When you get mobbed by a group of people it's not easy to remember if you cuffed up person one or two first and if you had to push person 6 away before spraying person 4 with pepper spray. Anyone who's been in a fight before knows that after it's all over you probably won't remember if your 6th punch was a jab with your left or a right hook.... I'm just really tired of all the cop bashing by the media and how DPD and APD are all considered thugs by gun owners who should know the media is full of it rather then eating up everything they say.

um all i have to say to that is your kinda new and dont realize that we here on coar15 do not believe the media hype (for the most part ) and we tend to form our own opinions.

I'm not a fan of OC anyway because you no longer have surprise on your hand.... Example you are in a bank/store during a take over style robbery (they are on the rise). Five suspects enter the store armed with long guns and hand guns. They see you with your gun visible on your hip you now became the first target. The BG could also mistake you as a Police Officer since most of society thinks cop when they see an openly displayed firearm. A CCW is the way to go so you have the advantage of not being spotted and ID'd as the first guy to shoot in the above situation. If OC was really a good thing don't you think most off duty cops would carry in the open and agencies would mandate it?

personally i could care less about surprise , if you ever meet me you will understand . even if i had a permit if i was to carry , id probably oc or not carry at all as im not real big on concealing .

[Irving]

COLOSHOOTR, you lost me when you put media sensation and gun owners in the same sentence.

[COLOSHOOTR]

Then where did all this DPD bashing come from... Yes Denver gun laws suck but how many people do you know who were actually charged with violations of the Assault Weapon or Hi-Cap bans? It's the cities elected government that has been anti gun, not the Officers of the DPD who still do have discression to arrest or not even if you had 100 30rd mags. Also, most cops tend to search the cars of shady indviduals with prior drug, gang or weapon offense NOT law abiding citizens... Unless you decide to pull some attitude and treat the Officer with the same respect you seem to give them on here. In that case I totally understand why you'd get hassled. It's just like socializing with any almost any other person where you are polite and respectful and you get the same in return. Decide to be the tough guy that wants to have an attitude and you'll probably get attitude back.

I'd bet you $100 that you can drive down I-70 right now get stopped tell the officer about the AR15 in your trunk and probably won't even have to get out of your car because He'll probably say, "Okay, Thanks for letting me know" and walk back to his car to finish business related to the stop.

[alxone]

Then where did all this DPD bashing come from... Yes Denver gun laws suck but how many people do you know who were actually charged with violations of the Assault Weapon or Hi-Cap bans? It's the cities elected government that has been anti gun, not the Officers of the DPD who still do have discression to arrest or not even if you had 100 30rd mags. Also, most cops tend to search the cars of shady indviduals with prior drug, gang or weapon offense NOT law abiding citizens... Unless you decide to pull some attitude and treat the Officer with the same respect you seem to give them on here. In that case I totally understand why you'd get hassled. It's just like socializing with any almost any other person where you are polite and respectful and you get the same in return. Decide to be the tough guy that wants to have an attitude and you'll probably get attitude back.

I'd bet you $100 that you can drive down I-70 right now get stopped tell the officer about the AR15 in your trunk and probably won't even have to get out of your car because He'll probably say, "Okay, Thanks for letting me know" and walk back to his car to finish business related to the stop.

your silly and your kinda funny but your mostly wrong and kinda missing the point

[Irving]

I wouldn't worry about getting pulled over, so much as I'd worry about being contacted by the officers that work in LoDo. I was involved in an auto accident and DPD showed up (actually I crashed right in front of him), and I showed him my CCW and he didn't say much of anything. Didn't disarm me or ask about it or anything.

I used to know some Denver cops that worked the bars in LoDo, and I know I wouldn't want to ever run across them while carrying. In fact, I wouldn't even want to talk on my phone in front of DPD working in LoDo.

[COLOSHOOTR]

I wouldn't worry about getting pulled over, so much as I'd worry about being contacted by the officers that work in LoDo. I was involved in an auto accident and DPD showed up (actually I crashed right in front of him), and I showed him my CCW and he didn't say much of anything. Didn't disarm me or ask about it or anything.

I used to know some Denver cops that worked the bars in LoDo, and I know I wouldn't want to ever run across them while carrying. In fact, I wouldn't even want to talk on my phone in front of DPD working in LoDo.

Your experience with your accident is going to be the norm with most DPD cops. They are not going to disarm you and arrest you.... There are plenty of gang members running around with illegal weapons that they can do that to.


As long as you don't hit the cop then run away you probably won't get slammed to the ground on camera..... Then again that part didn't really hit the airwaves.


Alxone, I'm glad to know how wrong you think I am but I guarantee you I know the DPD way better then you do. I've read the case files in some of those high profile firings and personally know most of the officers involved in those cases. Over the years I've also never seen a case on a law abiding citizen for having an AK47. I have on the on the other hand seen a few involving gang members but those don't even get the assault weapon charge but get possession by a previous offender instead.

I'm not trying to say any of you are wrong and I agree 100% that the Denver gun laws are stupid. I think the case should be re head due to the 3-3 split and that this home rule crap is garbage. If state law allows for something Denver should have no right to ban or further restrict something. If I lived in Denver and ever was charged with possession of a Hi-Cap magazine I'd take it all the way up to the supreme court because I should not be restricted from something that is legal for someone that lives just outside the City and that person can possess as they pass though the city I'm not allowed to have them in. It's unconstitutional! I think that that recent house bill should have passed allowing concealed carry for anyone legally able to own a gun in this State. Then there would be no need to OC if you didn't have the cash for a CCW and it would be a big F you to Denver city council. I'm just trying to say that the majority of cops even DPD are not out to get you, your guns and those evil 30rd magazines.

[Prometheus]

In the city of denver for non police law enforcement, you do not need anything to carry an open fire arm because of the open carry law, unless there is a special law for mall security to carry guns I believe it is under open carry.