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    I still want a Honda Element for a daily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I still want a Honda Element for a daily.
    A friend of mine has a black one (we call it Darth Vader's Postal Jeep) ... he loves it.

    I still think its ugly, but in that "so ugly its cool" way.
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    Won't make you any less of a man in my book stu.

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    Well I guess you can just go enjoy your forged in Canada, assembled in Mexico all American pickup, then.

    At least my piece of shit Chevy was assembled in Ohio. I'd much rather have a Japanese or German car nowadays, though.
    Granted, its far from being 'all American' but my pos was assembled @ the Warren plant...not in Mexico. Nice try though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graves View Post
    Everybody makes claims of their 3/4-1t diesels pulling 20+ MPG's but in reality it only happens when it's totally unloaded running 65-70mph down a smooth interstate without the sight of a hill. All my years of working on them have shown real world results closer to 15-17mpg's which IMO still isn't bad. Biggest problem comes to new regen trucks that are bought only as a daily driver. That's pretty much why I went with the Hemi, all conditions being perfect I've seen 22mpg's in my quad cab.

    mine never saw 20, 18-19 is real world all day long running empty, i used it for my business and have records. and yes 11 mpg pulling 15K pounds back from Moab last time we went. 28 ft 5ver with the built cherokee running flat behind her. she is not stock though.



    have also pulled the 35 ft fver and boat with the same mileage.
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    My 2007 Toyota Tacoma 6-speed V6 gets about 17-20 MPG, and I gave up on figuring out better gas mileage. My 1999 Tacoma got 27-34 MPG, but it was a 2WD 4-cylinder 5-speed. I like upgrades.

    If anyone wants a 2000 Honda Civic, let me know. :-D

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    Interesting posts... It is annoying when toyota guys think their taco will cure cancer as somebody put. Not to mention, my "not piece of shit" chevy silverado was built in america.. I bought it used, and made sure that was the case. Oh and it will go twice as many places as any taco.. That I know..

    Have a buddy with a chipped ford diesel quad cab long bed in the mid twenties per gallon.

    My dads ford doesn't quite get that but it's not chipped either. He gets high teens, low twenties.

    Both those trucks were built in america too.. My truck has 130k on it, my dads has like 170k on it... I could go on....

    Really though, I dont mind imports, I like the big three being made to compete in the market place..it's just the high and mighty attitude.. And it's not like the op was trying to "buy american" when he got his taco... In fact he put in bold that he was not trying to buy american.. So maybe he should get rid of the toyota cause it's "more american" then chevy and ford?

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    How do you square "Buy American" with capitalism? My understanding of capitalism, and the simplistic modeling it uses to try and determine human behavior, says that the correct response is to buy the best vehicle at the lowest price. You're here to optimize from your perspective.

    Buying American when you believe it isn't the best value proposition means you are helping companies you think aren't as good based solely on the location of their corporate headquarters. Sounds like welfare to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    How do you square "Buy American" with capitalism? My understanding of capitalism, and the simplistic modeling it uses to try and determine human behavior, says that the correct response is to buy the best vehicle at the lowest price. You're here to optimize from your perspective.

    Buying American when you believe it isn't the best value proposition means you are helping companies you think aren't as good based solely on the location of their corporate headquarters. Sounds like welfare to me.

    H.
    That doesn't sound life you are responding to me?

    I even mentioned making "american" companies compete... It's a good thing. It's capitalism . Just like I said...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier View Post
    How do you square "Buy American" with capitalism? My understanding of capitalism, and the simplistic modeling it uses to try and determine human behavior, says that the correct response is to buy the best vehicle at the lowest price. You're here to optimize from your perspective.

    Buying American when you believe it isn't the best value proposition means you are helping companies you think aren't as good based solely on the location of their corporate headquarters. Sounds like welfare to me.

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    Wisdom right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad4000 View Post
    That doesn't sound life you are responding to me?

    I even mentioned making "american" companies compete... It's a good thing. It's capitalism . Just like I said...
    Not responding to anyone in particular, just the general "Buy American" slogan an social meme.

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