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Just a hypothetical question to understand your point of view...Originally Posted by Irving
If someone invites you to a BBQ at their home, do you ever offer to pitch in, or bring something? Or, do you think that since you were invited you aren't obligated to contribute?
Apparently, it is something prisoners have to be able to sue over things like cable tv and desserts at mess.
I disagree with it for multiple reasons. First, you are charging tax paying citizens to fund things the "fee" isnt for. Second just because someone is in prison doesn't give us the right to automatically assume they are evil people or "asshats" - I say this because if I put the same sort of "system" in place in something we all hold dear we would complain loudly. For example:
From now on to carry a firearm onto public land you will have to pay a $60 one time fee per year and additionally if you cross over state lines and return into the boundaries of Colorado you must again pay. This will ensure that those who own firearms after purchase continue to meet passing background checks. The money collected will pay not only for the $10 check but also the Boulder Rifle Club and help fund the Coloradoans Against Gun Violence & Ownership program.
Now everyone here would be quick to argue that its their second amendment right to carry a firearm however isnt it also a right to visit your family? The people being penalized here are not criminals, they are citizens like you and me.
I agree 100% with you, there are exceptions to the rule in some cases, I personally know 2 cases.
My Brother in law, good man, had a job right out of the gate and has steadily gone up the ladder there, is a Mason and is a good family man and husband.
One of my good buddies, he is a Production Manager for a stone veneer company and once he got out, he has worked his ass of and is a productive member of society and can depend on him for just about anything.
I used to work for the stone veneer company, they are right by a half way house and they pull a lot of labor from them since its walking distance for them I gave 5 guys a shot at being my forklift mechanic or mechanics helper ( I was stupidvisor for maintenance for a year) and I ended up firing all 5 within the first month and had to depend on my buddy mentioned above to help me on weekend with repairs when the plant was shut down. He was the batch maker at the time and I taught him a shitload and used it to move up in the company.
As a gun owner though, 99.99% of us are law abiding citizens and have never done anything to be put into jail nor ever will. Kinda Aplles to oranges.
Charging the POS girlfriend to see her POS BF who robbed some convenience store and shot and paralyzed the shopkeeper over $80 doesnt have ANY RIGHTS IMHO, and to visit said POS, all should have to pay for his heinous act for $80.
Or some drug dealer caught on video "curbing" his competion and now doing 25 to life and his momma wants to visit, she needs to pay since she obviously didnt do a good enough job of raising her curbing son , who knows, maybe she was buy his dope he was selling.
I think it is a justified price for those wanting to visit any criminal.
Mcantar, not all prisons are government owned. Are the only rights, those that are mentioned in the Constitution, or are there more?
I offer to pitch in.
I'm in this discussion, because people keep mentioning what trash prisoners are, then turning around and saying how the people visiting them are the ones who need to be punished.
I'm in the "the government does not need any more money" camp. Punishing offenders is a HUGE industry, and it shouldn't be that way. But that is a topic for another thread.
What about a kid wanting to visit a parent? How are the imprisoned parent's actions the kids fault?
"There are no finger prints under water."
WRONG. the people being punished are the criminals. Not being able to see family is another punishment. If the family wants to visit, they have to pay. And the admission fee should go toward running the prison and repaying the inmate's restitution etc.
Yes... as long as your family isn't state/federal property.
See my previous post.
I can't think of any true rights that aren't protected by the Constitution.
On the subject of a child visiting a parent in prison. I would argue that having been deemed unfit to exist among society, and hence being locked up, they are clearly unfit to raise a child, and by committing a crime have forfeited the right to do so.
as gun owners and carriers we are all a breath away from being labeled criminals by the state.
I am against the government getting more money for anything. not because there are no legitimate needs, but because there is never an end to government desire for money.
it will never be enough, and they will keep taking until the people revolt.
and it frightens me that so many are so supportive of government greed.
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