What Am I Missing? - Israel and Hamas (Palestinians)

[Irving]

Well played, Sir. Good thing he didn't end a sentence with a preposition.

Well he's not from Palestine.

[Sharpienads]

Well he's not from Palestine.

Oh, I get it now. I thought you were commenting on how the third sentence was in past tense while the rest were in present tense. I guess I still haven't gotten over your post asking us to proofread the sentence.

[DeusExMachina]

Because I don't accept that premise that perspective dictates what is right or wrong, good or evil, moral or immoral.

You believe the world is black and white? That's extremely naive.

Post #13. My last words to this member. For what little it's worth.

Are you butt hurt from the OWS thread(s)? Am I not entitled to my opinion?

I guarantee you are completely misunderstanding what I said, without even bothering to ask. Do you often just "write people off" like that? That's extremely...sad.

[sniper7]

I think they all want to blow each other up. Their fighting has been going on for thousands of years, we are not going to stop it, even the great obama tried to put his foot in it and everybody is up in arms with what he says.

That is why I flip off the people with the coexist stickers. their ideological thinking, that some words and a stupid ass bumper sticker are going to change entire cultures thinking is absolutely asinine. So I give them the bird with a smile to see if they can even "coexist" with me

[Sharpienads]

You believe the world is black and white? That's extremely naive.

I don't think rejecting perpesctive as the basis for right and wrong makes me believe the world is black and white. I also don't believe it makes me naive.

If you believe perspective determines right and wrong, than you don't really believe in anything and have no principles or morals to stand on. I believe there are universal truths or natural laws. Murder is wrong would be one of these. If you can justify murder based on perspective, what are you doing on a pro-gun website?

[DeusExMachina]

I don't think rejecting perpesctive as the basis for right and wrong makes me believe the world is black and white. I also don't believe it makes me naive.

If you believe perspective determines right and wrong, than you don't really believe in anything and have no principles or morals to stand on. I believe there are universal truths or natural laws. Murder is wrong would be one of these. If you can justify murder based on perspective, what are you doing on a pro-gun website?

But isn't murder right or wrong based on perspective?

It's OK to kill enemies, but its not OK to kill innocents. Isn't that perspective?

You're saying you're rejecting perspective, so you are saying you embrace universal beliefs of right and wrong, or good and evil.

You do understand that al Qaeda believes what they are doing is right, don't you? They're not terrorists to be 'evil' because they want to be 'evil'. It's perspective.

[Irving]

If you can justify murder based on perspective, what are you doing on a pro-gun website?

Have you ever read Unintended Consequences?

[Elhuero]

there is a lot of antisemitism that is prevalent at the occupy wal street protests, that has been edited out by the media.

because a lot of the people who are there are very liberal. and generally liberal people are pro palestine rather than israel.

both sides have done good and bad things, but if I had to pick one I'd pick israel.

oh, and what deusex said is absolutely true.

if the revolutionary war had been lost the founding fathers would have been hung as traitors.

if you disagree, then say you disagree. don't have a damn tantrum about it.

[Sharpienads]

But isn't murder right or wrong based on perspective?

It's OK to kill enemies, but its not OK to kill innocents. Isn't that perspective?

You're saying you're rejecting perspective, so you are saying you embrace universal beliefs of right and wrong, or good and evil.

You do understand that al Qaeda believes what they are doing is right, don't you? They're not terrorists to be 'evil' because they want to be 'evil'. It's perspective.

There is a difference between murder and killing. Killing an enemy in time of war who would otherwise kill you is not murder, killing an innocent person regardless of circumstances is murder. To some extent I guess you could say that the above example relies on perspective, but the perspective should be a function of what is right or wrong determined by natural law, not the other way around.

Al Qaeda can believe whatever they want to believe, but that doesn't make it right just because they believe it. If right and wrong are determined by perspective, than anything can be justified.

[Sharpienads]

I should have said "to purposefully kill an innocent person regardless of circumstances in murder".