What Am I Missing? - Israel and Hamas (Palestinians)

[roberth]

But in Revelation, John goes on to talk about that Israel's enemies will attack from the north and God will protect them with fire/brimstone from the sky.

It doesn't become irrelevant, but I agree with you on the point that it is no longer an "exclusive" club. Jesus said in the New Testament that He did not come to UNDO the Old Covenant, but to fulfill it. So it is a matter of both yes and no.

You're correct, irrelevant is the wrong. The club becomes inclusive vs exclusive.

And THAT'S the deciding factor for me when considered without my Christian bias towards Israel.

When I remove that aspect of my perspective, I still can't get behind Palestine.

This is a list of rocket attacks by the Palestinians on Israel for 2011. The source is Wikipedia, go figure. I wonder why the US new media failed to report these with all the bluster that an Israeli counterattack gets. Hmmmmm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2011

[roberth]

i could go into detail but the short answer is guilt . promises made after ww1 were not held and then after ww2 everyone felt real sh*ty . france then went to war with indochina (vietnam) to help rebuild and the brits tried not to starve as they rebuilt .

the problem is that its not cut and dry or black and white , at this point both sides have committed some many wrongs that making some rights are gonna take a lot of pride swallowing on both sides .

I agree, guilt isn't a reason to do anything. This was also one of the last, arrogant acts of a fading superpower.

[Hoosier]

This is a list of rocket attacks by the Palestinians on Israel for 2011. The source is Wikipedia, go figure. I wonder why the US new media failed to report these with all the bluster that an Israeli counterattack gets. Hmmmmm.

When qassam rockets do damage it makes international news. They are home made unguided rockets, their lethality is low.

You could ask, "Why does the US news media fail to report..." things like this, as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli...s_1948-present

I'm opposed to the concept of a Jewish state, just as I'm opposed to the concept of a Muslim state (Iran, Saudi Arabia et al), and just as I'm opposed to the concept of a Christian state. Any place like that will invariably disenfranchise citizens who do not belong to the same cult.

H.

[mevshooter]

When qassam rockets do damage it makes international news. They are home made unguided rockets, their lethality is low.

If we follow that line of thinking, then we should ignore every single one of those same type of unguided, low lethality attacks that happens at all of our bases and outposts in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, etc...

Every time I talked to my dad on the phone during his tour of duty, he would say something along the lines of "yeah, 3 rocket attacks yesterday, 2 this morning, about 9 last week..." and so on and so on.

The intent to kill is there. Just because they suck at it, doesn't make it more acceptable. Much the same as just because Israel are awesome at it, doesn't make them any more despicable.

[Hoosier]

If we follow that line of thinking, then we should ignore every single one of those same type of unguided, low lethality attacks that happens at all of our bases and outposts in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, etc...

Erm, I was just stating what happens, not justifying it or explaining it. However, I would say if a rocket attack doesn't kill anyone, it should be lower on the news totem poll than say, flooding that has displaced ten million people in Thailand.

The intent to kill is there. Just because they suck at it, doesn't make it more acceptable. Much the same as just because Israel are awesome at it, doesn't make them any more despicable.

I re-read what I posted, and still can't find where I said it's acceptable. Stop putting words in my mouth, please.

H.

[mevshooter]

Erm, I was just stating what happens, not justifying it or explaining it. However, I would say if a rocket attack doesn't kill anyone, it should be lower on the news totem poll than say, flooding that has displaced ten million people in Thailand.

And when ten million people are displaced by flooding in Thailand, that news story typically takes the top spot of the news hour. However, when it is an issue of OUR people being attacked vs. people in other countries going through hard times, OUR people will tend to take the top spot of the news hour, because they are OUR people.

Much like the UK are far more concerned with the people rioting in their streets, than the OWS people over here. As it should be.

I re-read what I posted, and still can't find where I said it's acceptable. Stop putting words in my mouth, please.

H.

I never stated that YOU said it was acceptable.

Its a free exchange of ideas here on the board. I was simply stating MY thoughts on this.

If I would have said "I can't believe you think its acceptable" then yes, by all means, you would have been correct in your statement. However, I did not say that. At all.

[sneakerd]

This is an old axiom that may or may not have already been repeated here- but for me it says it all- If the "Palestinians" threw all of their weapons into the Mediterranean -there would be immediate peace-. If the Israelis threw all of their weapons into the Mediterranean- the surrounding Arab countries would immediately advance, invade and kill the Jews. To me this is not really arguable, it is obvious.

[Mick-Boy]

And when ten million people are displaced by flooding in Thailand, that news story typically takes the top spot of the news hour. However, when it is an issue of OUR people being attacked vs. people in other countries going through hard times, OUR people will tend to take the top spot of the news hour, because they are OUR people.

You realize that Israelis are not OUR people don't you? They are citizens of a foreign government.

[mevshooter]

You realize that Israelis are not OUR people don't you? They are citizens of a foreign government.

We weren't talking about Israel at that point in the exchange Hoosier and I were having.

Of course I know Israel aren't our people. However, they are one of our greatest allies, so they do hold a place of significance greater than other countries.

[L3SYS]

[quote=Sharpienads;447137]Sounds like you got it pretty much covered to me.[/quote

Upsetting but true.