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    Quote Originally Posted by ruthabagah View Post
    Better ergonomics, cleaner trigger pull, dual safety for some of them, loaded chamber indicator. Just from my observation.
    In comparison to Glocks,

    XDM: Better trigger, the same ergonomics, high bore axis.
    M&P: Worse trigger, better ergos, same bore axis.
    FNP: Bad trigger, same ergos, awful decocker/safety. I honestly have no idea why this is on your list.

    I have owned all the above, and now I only own Glocks.

    I find additional safeties and loaded chamber indicators (Glock has one, by the way) to be liabilities. So they all try to be Glock, but they improve something while making something else worse.

    Your perception of market share is obviously biased. As is mine, because all of my shooter friends shoot Glocks exclusively.

    All I know is, I wanted to buy a G34 GEN4 in January and they are still backordered.
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    Where is that "popcorn" smiley?

    Glocks work for what they were designed to be; a universal sidearm carried by millions everyday in all kinds of conditions.

    I have one and I like it.

    I also like my SIG P229.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    I'm really curious as to what these, as yet unnamed, superior firearms are.
    Walther P99 1st gen. decocker, extremely light short DA trigger, second strike capability. No need to rack the slide if round does not fire, ambi mag release,better accuracy, adj rear and choice of different front sight height, 3 different grip / palm sizes (way before the 4th gen G's) . Did i mention better accuracy, better trigger?? just checking.
    I have the full 9mm series of glocks, the wife likes the 26, me the other 2 have been collecting dust for years as the P99 and (GASP) Sig 239 are main semi carry pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstone View Post
    Where is that "popcorn" smiley?

    Glocks work for what they were designed to be; a universal sidearm carried by millions everyday in all kinds of conditions.

    I have one and I like it.

    I also like my SIG P229.

    They aren't wives, I'm allowed more than one : )
    I was thinking the same thing. I like all of my guns, hell I even like the hi-point that I won in a bet. They all have a purpose and I carry them for different reasons (except the high point, I just like it because it is accurate as hell, but completely unreliable). I am not going to take a nice 1911 camping when I know its going to rain. Enter my glock. Variety is the spice of life.

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    I tried to like Sig, I really did. But all I could think of was how the Glock was superior in every manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    In comparison to Glocks,

    XDM: Better trigger, the same ergonomics, high bore axis.
    M&P: Worse trigger, better ergos, same bore axis.
    FNP: Bad trigger, same ergos, awful decocker/safety. I honestly have no idea why this is on your list.

    I have owned all the above, and now I only own Glocks.

    I find additional safeties and loaded chamber indicators (Glock has one, by the way) to be liabilities. So they all try to be Glock, but they improve something while making something else worse.

    Your perception of market share is obviously biased. As is mine, because all of my shooter friends shoot Glocks exclusively.

    All I know is, I wanted to buy a G34 GEN4 in January and they are still backordered.
    You are obviously a Glock Fan boy. I support a sales and inventory system and Glock Market shares are down.

    XDM: Better trigger, the same ergonomics (nope: Grip safety, better grip angle), high bore axis.
    M&P: Worse trigger, better ergos, same bore axis. Meh...
    FNP: Bad trigger, same ergos, awful decocker/safety. I honestly have no idea why this is on your list. Darn Wrong: better trigger by far, decocker is an acquired taste but it works, better mag release, better grip angle. The list will go on.

    Let me also remind you that the MP and FNP were on the final list for the JCP and that the G21 did not make it pass the first round of selections (based on design)! Even the Taurus OSS was selected! Gosh that's an ugly duck alright!

    It's all a question of taste. You like glock: great. You would probably also enjoy driving a Camry or an Accord because that what they are the car equivalent of the glock: a bland gun.

    I don't mind using a decocker on my USP if I have to, I love the load indicator on my XDM.

    To go back to my original point: Glock are good gun, but there is better gun out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruthabagah View Post
    You are obviously a Glock Fan boy. I support a sales and inventory system and Glock Market shares are down.

    XDM: Better trigger, the same ergonomics (nope: Grip safety, better grip angle), high bore axis.
    M&P: Worse trigger, better ergos, same bore axis. Meh...
    FNP: Bad trigger, same ergos, awful decocker/safety. I honestly have no idea why this is on your list. Darn Wrong: better trigger by far, decocker is an acquired taste but it works, better mag release, better grip angle. The list will go on.

    Let me also remind you that the MP and FNP were on the final list for the JCP and that the G21 did not make it pass the first round of selections (based on design)! Even the Taurus OSS was selected! Gosh that's an ugly duck alright!

    It's all a question of taste. You like glock: great. You would probably also enjoy driving a Camry or an Accord because that what they are the car equivalent of the glock: a bland gun.

    I don't mind using a decocker on my USP if I have to, I love the load indicator on my XDM.

    To go back to my original point: Glock are good gun, but there is better gun out there.
    Gee, didn't expect the "Fan Boy" to come out. Typical response to "X gun isn't as good as a Glock because...". I get that a lot, however like most people I fought it tooth and nail by buying every other non-Glock I could before coming back around to Glocks. Even had a 1911 and recently a Sig. Doesn't compare to the Glock.

    I forgot about the grip safety. That's a negative.

    The FNP's manual safety is useless because it is too sensitive to the decocker. Very very very easy to decock the gun trying to drop the safety, especially under stress, and then you get the less-than-lovely DA trigger pull. The mags do not drop free on any of the FNPs I've touched, and I found nothing remarkable about the mag release.

    The Glock didn't make it because the JCP required second strike capability. This isn't a negative, it's the JCP being overly particular in the requirements.

    I'm not going to apologize for liking a reliable gun that is easy to maintain, fast to shoot, and has a huge aftermarket, just because it's "bland" to some people. To continue with the poor analogy, if the Glock is a Camry then every other gun mentioned is a riced-out Honda Civic. Basically the same underneath but tarted up just to be different while still being slow and unreliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruthabagah View Post
    You are obviously a Glock Fan boy. I support a sales and inventory system and Glock Market shares are down.

    XDM: Better trigger, the same ergonomics (nope: Grip safety, better grip angle), high bore axis.
    M&P: Worse trigger, better ergos, same bore axis. Meh...
    FNP: Bad trigger, same ergos, awful decocker/safety. I honestly have no idea why this is on your list. Darn Wrong: better trigger by far, decocker is an acquired taste but it works, better mag release, better grip angle. The list will go on.

    Let me also remind you that the MP and FNP were on the final list for the JCP and that the G21 did not make it pass the first round of selections (based on design)! Even the Taurus OSS was selected! Gosh that's an ugly duck alright!

    It's all a question of taste. You like glock: great. You would probably also enjoy driving a Camry or an Accord because that what they are the car equivalent of the glock: a bland gun.

    I don't mind using a decocker on my USP if I have to, I love the load indicator on my XDM.

    To go back to my original point: Glock are good gun, but there is better gun out there.
    I happen to like the OSS and think it is a better gun, but that is my opinion. I know people that like Glocks and that is their opinion. I think they are alright for what they are, but I am not one to worship the Glock pistol as the best gun on earth.

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    Why not buy the G-35 40 cal and get Lonewolf 40-9mm conversion barrel....


    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    In comparison to Glocks,

    XDM: Better trigger, the same ergonomics, high bore axis.
    M&P: Worse trigger, better ergos, same bore axis.
    FNP: Bad trigger, same ergos, awful decocker/safety. I honestly have no idea why this is on your list.

    I have owned all the above, and now I only own Glocks.

    I find additional safeties and loaded chamber indicators (Glock has one, by the way) to be liabilities. So they all try to be Glock, but they improve something while making something else worse.

    Your perception of market share is obviously biased. As is mine, because all of my shooter friends shoot Glocks exclusively.

    All I know is, I wanted to buy a G34 GEN4 in January and they are still backordered.




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    A guy get into a gun store where there is a couple of client waiting, he start talking to one of the gunsmith and says:"I just heard the funniest joke about Glock owners."

    One of the client outraged, says, "Sir, I am a Glock owner."

    So the first guy offers, "I tell it to you slowly then."
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