How would any of you of handled this?

[Ronin13]

I'm shocked! Does no one here, with not much regard to how it was handled in the video, have a freaking clue about CRS? During a stop, and IIRC it doesn't need be a traffic stop, a LEO can ask you to surrender your weapon during the duration of contact for his/her safety and must return it to you after the stop is complete if you are not to be detained. It is NOT unlawful seizure, it is simply the CO legislature putting in rules that protect our LEOs. If you are stopped while OCing and the cop asks you to surrender your weapon he is not seizing it, he's not trampling your rights, he's not violating you, he is just doing so for his protection because he doesn't know you from the next guy. Also, handing over your ID so the PD may rest assured you're not a wanted felon is OK! You're not having your rights eroded. I wish people would chill on this... one minute you're all saying that disrespecting cops is a no go (especially killing them) but then the next when one of them is simply investigating a "suspicious person with a gun" as called in by our stupid masses fellow humans, you lose your cool.

Now, granted, there was no reason for contact to begin with as our gun-toting friend here was doing not a single thing wrong, but I don't know how Portland PD operates and they might have an SOP dealing with Person With A Gun calls, we don't know. The man handled it okay, but honestly, this whole "stick to your guns, don't give them anything" is bullshit. Okay? Plain and simple bullshit. If you're ever stopped, walking down the street, open carrying, and the cop asks for your ID to make sure you're not a felon in possession of a gun, or what have you, just comply. What does it hurt? It helps him go about his business more soundly and costs you what? A minute or two of your precious time- probably takes a lot less time than arguing with the cop for 10 minutes... I'm with Flatline in saying this guy was an ass. Good on him for knowing the law, but fuck him for being a dick to that officer who was just following up on a call in about a guy with a gun. Okay, being a smart-ass is only going to make you look like a POS. Exercise some restraint, it doesn't hurt to cooperate with LEOs if they're not actually infringing upon your rights, and last time I checked, them trying to ensure their safety by asking to surrender your gun during the duration of contact wasn't some jack booted Nazi march towards oppression.

MTFBWY.

[cstone]

I'm shocked!

You realize that the incident in the video did not occur in Colorado right? CRS only applies in Colorado.

As far as surrendering your weapon, I stand by my opinion that you should not get into an argument with a uniformed cop... unless you are in Mexico

Be safe.

[Ronin13]

You realize that the incident in the video did not occur in Colorado right? CRS only applies in Colorado.

As far as surrendering your weapon, I stand by my opinion that you should not get into an argument with a uniformed cop... unless you are in Mexico

Be safe.

Oh I'm aware... And I realize this incident happened in Maine. I'm stating for us, ya know, those of us living in CO (sorry Byte! Still love ya!) how it would apply. I can't speak for a state I don't live in, or intend to live in, I can only say know the law here, this situation, as it applies to us CO residents and how we should handle it.
Like you say, be safe! I always try to be, especially when it comes to LEOs who are already under enough stress.

[10mm-man]

I'm shocked! Does no one here, with not much regard to how it was handled in the video, have a freaking clue about CRS? During a stop, and IIRC it doesn't need be a traffic stop, a LEO can ask you to surrender your weapon during the duration of contact for his/her safety and must return it to you after the stop is complete if you are not to be detained. It is NOT unlawful seizure, it is simply the CO legislature putting in rules that protect our LEOs. If you are stopped while OCing and the cop asks you to surrender your weapon he is not seizing it, he's not trampling your rights, he's not violating you, he is just doing so for his protection because he doesn't know you from the next guy. Also, handing over your ID so the PD may rest assured you're not a wanted felon is OK! You're not having your rights eroded. I wish people would chill on this... one minute you're all saying that disrespecting cops is a no go (especially killing them) but then the next when one of them is simply investigating a "suspicious person with a gun" as called in by our stupid masses fellow humans, you lose your cool.

Now, granted, there was no reason for contact to begin with as our gun-toting friend here was doing not a single thing wrong, but I don't know how Portland PD operates and they might have an SOP dealing with Person With A Gun calls, we don't know. The man handled it okay, but honestly, this whole "stick to your guns, don't give them anything" is bullshit. Okay? Plain and simple bullshit. If you're ever stopped, walking down the street, open carrying, and the cop asks for your ID to make sure you're not a felon in possession of a gun, or what have you, just comply. What does it hurt? It helps him go about his business more soundly and costs you what? A minute or two of your precious time- probably takes a lot less time than arguing with the cop for 10 minutes... I'm with Flatline in saying this guy was an ass. Good on him for knowing the law, but fuck him for being a dick to that officer who was just following up on a call in about a guy with a gun. Okay, being a smart-ass is only going to make you look like a POS. Exercise some restraint, it doesn't hurt to cooperate with LEOs if they're not actually infringing upon your rights, and last time I checked, them trying to ensure their safety by asking to surrender your gun during the duration of contact wasn't some jack booted Nazi march towards oppression.

MTFBWY.

Well CRS says you have to, but........ were this happened it was illegal!

So If it is illegal search and seizure your saying "hand over your weapons?" Just want to clarify your stance on this.

[Ronin13]

Well CRS says you have to, but........ were this happened it was illegal!

So If it is illegal search and seizure your saying "hand over your weapons?" Just want to clarify your stance on this.

If it's illegal then it's illegal, and compliance should be subject to the discretion of the individual. I was speaking from the stand point if contacted by a LEO here in our great state, knowing what I do (not a helluva lot in the law but enough to survive first contact with the police), I would comply with any legal orders given by the police. If asked, for mutual safety, to surrender my weapon during the duration, as per the guidelines of the CRS, I would gladly do so. If it was not legal, and he asked to search my person without PC or a warrant, I would, respectfully, decline as is per the 4th. That's my stance, I'll follow the law, and allow any LEO to do so as well, but when he wants to violate said law- either by ignorance or on purpose- I will then as tactfully and respectfully inform him of such.

Kev, I really like what you said, you can't dictate every situation to be the same, and I appreciate what you do, at least we know you're one of the good ones! Sure cops make mistakes, it's inherent in being human, and we shouldn't expect all LEOs to be 100% up on every law, but we can judge them based on how they react to being politely informed that they are about to violate basic rights when it happens. Notice in the video the cop asked to search him and he declined and the cop didn't press the issue, he simply said "Ok."

To clarify, I get peeved when people go out of their way to make a difficult job more difficult. Your rights aren't being stripped away when a cop asks to see your ID. Granted, unless you're driving, you have the option to decline, but really, I see it as a slap in the face when you refuse to even give your first name. My few friends in JCSO are nice, good, decent, hard working guys and I'm sure they would be respectful, but also a bit confused as to why someone wouldn't even give their first name. I'm not saying volunteer and give up your rights or what have you, I'm only stating that the way you deal with other people hypothetically will help dictate how you are dealt with. Be nice, be safe, and it won't kill you to be respectful... That's all I'm really saying here.

[jackthewall81]

If it's illegal then it's illegal, and compliance should be subject to the discretion of the individual. I was speaking from the stand point if contacted by a LEO here in our great state, knowing what I do (not a helluva lot in the law but enough to survive first contact with the police), I would comply with any legal orders given by the police. If asked, for mutual safety, to surrender my weapon during the duration, as per the guidelines of the CRS, I would gladly do so. If it was not legal, and he asked to search my person without PC or a warrant, I would, respectfully, decline as is per the 4th. That's my stance, I'll follow the law, and allow any LEO to do so as well, but when he wants to violate said law- either by ignorance or on purpose- I will then as tactfully and respectfully inform him of such.

Kev, I really like what you said, you can't dictate every situation to be the same, and I appreciate what you do, at least we know you're one of the good ones! Sure cops make mistakes, it's inherent in being human, and we shouldn't expect all LEOs to be 100% up on every law, but we can judge them based on how they react to being politely informed that they are about to violate basic rights when it happens. Notice in the video the cop asked to search him and he declined and the cop didn't press the issue, he simply said "Ok."

To clarify, I get peeved when people go out of their way to make a difficult job more difficult. Your rights aren't being stripped away when a cop asks to see your ID. Granted, unless you're driving, you have the option to decline, but really, I see it as a slap in the face when you refuse to even give your first name. My few friends in JCSO are nice, good, decent, hard working guys and I'm sure they would be respectful, but also a bit confused as to why someone wouldn't even give their first name. I'm not saying volunteer and give up your rights or what have you, I'm only stating that the way you deal with other people hypothetically will help dictate how you are dealt with. Be nice, be safe, and it won't kill you to be respectful... That's all I'm really saying here.

Are you prescribed adderal?

[Ronin13]

Are you prescribed adderal?

No, but I was once prescribed ritalin... Why, are you offering?

[jackthewall81]

No, but I was once prescribed ritalin... Why, are you offering?

No offer, I just could not fathom consistently writing books like you do without being on adderal.

[Ronin13]

No offer, I just could not fathom consistently writing books like you do without being on adderal.

My mind does move fast... try to keep up!

[cstone]

Are you prescribed adderal?

Now that was funny!

After reading Ronin, I now have John Lennon in my head singing All we are saying... Is give peace a chance.

Someone please make it stop.

Life doesn't come with an instruction booklet and if it did, it would be in English written by someone from North Korea.

Roll your dice and move your mice.

Be safe.