the holmes case

[Ronin13]

Agreed. I made a comment to my fiancee about how a reporter said something along the lines of "Holmes is being held for allegedly entering a midnight ...".

I'm like, allegedly? Seriously? They caught him with guns in hand, he was wearing body armor, his apartment was rigged with explosives and other incendiary devices and he allegedly did that?!

Despite the facts, you still need to remember "Innocent until proven guilty." I agree with you, but it's our justice system and to give in to emotional pressure and just take him out back and put a slug through his dome without trial just undermines the whole thing.

[DeusExMachina]

I did not see it, but I figure the guy will end up in the state mental hospital (prison) here in Pueblo. I see a plea of "not guilty by reason of insanity". The state will then drug him up until his brain is mush, destroying it with chemicals that will permanently lobotomize him over time.
If he is sent to a regular prison in Canon City or Sterling, the general population of inmates will off him for a candy bar...I couldn't be a jailer because I would accidently leave a rope in his cell.

Very small chance of him getting off by insanity, at least in Colorado.

Agreed. I made a comment to my fiancee about how a reporter said something along the lines of "Holmes is being held for allegedly entering a midnight ...".

I'm like, allegedly? Seriously? They caught him with guns in hand, he was wearing body armor, his apartment was rigged with explosives and other incendiary devices and he allegedly did that?!

Innocent until proven guilty, even if guilt is doubtless, he still deserves a trial. It's as American as the 2nd amendment.

It's just semantics, don't get hung up on it. They always have to speak in "the accused".

[HoneyBadger]

To repeat exactly what has already been said: Innocent until proven guilty applies to all US citizens who allegedly break the law. Time to hold the emotions for a minute and respect that we have fair trials in our great country. Most countries don't and many places around the world, you are "guilty until you prove to the authority that without a doubt, you are innocent"

[jackthewall81]

Everyone has the right to a fair trial. All of you constitution buffs should know that.

[alxone]

Is it still a fair trial if he is drugged ?

[BuffCyclist]

Yea yea yea, innocent until proven guilty. I get that.

It's just the language used, like its just a rumor that he did those things. The media gets things wrong all the time, but this is the one thing that is ever present.

[cysoto]

I couldn't be a jailer because I would accidently leave a rope in his cell.

He had the chance to eat a bullet and he didn't do it. I doubt he would be man enough to string a rope around his neck.

[J]

For a group of people who hold the 2nd amendment so dearly, some of you are awful quick to throw out amendments 5 & 6.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

[CrufflerSteve]

He had the chance to eat a bullet and he didn't do it. I doubt he would be man enough to string a rope around his neck.

After a few years of isolation in max security a rope or bedsheet might seem good.

He's got the toughest DA in Colorado. More death penalty cases than the rest.

Steve

[waxthis]

Well, he could accidentally get shot while tryin to escape......