Police Education

[Byte Stryke]

we don't allow Electricians to wire homes without knowing their job.
We don't allow Plumbers to run lines without knowing their jobs.
I have to spend almost $1K on Certifications and take Weeks of Classes and HOURS of exams to do my job.

these clowns get to run around with constitutional arrest powers and Guns and haven't the slightest clue about what they are doing... but we are the problem?

I'm waiting for the wave...

[Sharpienads]

we don't allow Electricians to wire homes without knowing their job.
We don't allow Plumbers to run lines without knowing their jobs.
I have to spend almost $1K on Certifications and take Weeks of Classes and HOURS of exams to do my job.

these clowns get to run around with constitutional arrest powers and Guns and haven't the slightest clue about what they are doing... but we are the problem?

I'm waiting for the wave...

Is it even possible for them to know all the laws? I highly doubt it. I'm not making any excuses for them, but maybe the problem is deeper, and ignorant cops is a symptom of that problem.

But being allowed to open carry, that's probably one they should know.

[Bailey Guns]

we don't allow Electricians to wire homes without knowing their job.
We don't allow Plumbers to run lines without knowing their jobs.
I have to spend almost $1K on Certifications and take Weeks of Classes and HOURS of exams to do my job.

these clowns get to run around with constitutional arrest powers and Guns and haven't the slightest clue about what they are doing... but we are the problem?

I'm waiting for the wave...

The problem isn't that they aren't trained. It's that they apparently haven't received updated training or the person responsible failed at disseminating proper information.

Let's face it...a 6 month academy, 19+ weeks of field training, having to pass a comprehensive state-issued certification test, continuous ongoing training at least monthly, etc... They've had plenty of training.

They made a mistake. Plumbers and electricians and IT guys make mistakes, too, despite their certs and training.

The question is, will this be corrected on their "cheat sheet" and in future training and will this incident be made right by the PD?

[Flatline]

They made a mistake. Plumbers and electricians and IT guys make mistakes, too, despite their certs and training.

When a plumber floods your house he is expected to pay for damages, the same for faulty electrical work or IT mistakes, or at least to the the point of their expressed contracts.

What is the social contract with the police? What is their reprimand for violating it? Is the amnesty provisions as written appropriate?

Is dropping false charges after the public humiliation, false accusation, and legal fees not to mention the false imprisonment or arrest enough?


Clearly these police officers have a gross lack of education for the job that they do, is that their fault or the department that educated them? Whoever continued to issue a "cheat sheet" that is used to issue citations or arrest suspects with incorrect laws is partially responsible for what happened as well.

Most likely there will be no apology, no significant reeducation (though apparently the reissued the cheat sheet after being corrected), and nobody will be held personally liable within the department. And instead of receiving an apology from the department the guy could sue the department/officers and instead potentially cost the city millions (which he may or may not do).

[Ah Pook]

Let's face it...a 6 month academy, 19+ weeks of field training, having to pass a comprehensive state-issued certification test, continuous ongoing training at least monthly, etc... They've had plenty of training.

Becoming an appraiser for a county assessor takes longer.


It is their job to know the law. One would think that laws regarding firearms would be higher up on the list.

[ben4372]

we don't allow Electricians to wire homes without knowing their job.
We don't allow Plumbers to run lines without knowing their jobs.
I have to spend almost $1K on Certifications and take Weeks of Classes and HOURS of exams to do my job.

these clowns get to run around with constitutional arrest powers and Guns and haven't the slightest clue about what they are doing... but we are the problem?

I'm waiting for the wave...

Most of what the government does is based on 'this is how I was told to do it' or 'this is the way it's always been done' No real regard to the law or the way it is supposed to be done. And 'tell it to the judge' is a genuine hassle and expense. Even if you are in the right it cost you plenty. Arresting officer may get a talking to or miss a promotion. Not entirely their fault. Like any job, the tards at the top have pet issues and often it is not training and education.

[Bailey Guns]

When a plumber floods your house he is expected to pay for damages, the same for faulty electrical work or IT mistakes, or at least to the the point of their expressed contracts.

What is the social contract with the police? What is their reprimand for violating it? Is the amnesty provisions as written appropriate?

Is dropping false charges after the public humiliation, false accusation, and legal fees not to mention the false imprisonment or arrest enough?


Clearly these police officers have a gross lack of education for the job that they do, is that their fault or the department that educated them? Whoever continued to issue a "cheat sheet" that is used to issue citations or arrest suspects with incorrect laws is partially responsible for what happened as well.

Most likely there will be no apology, no significant reeducation (though apparently the reissued the cheat sheet after being corrected), and nobody will be held personally liable within the department. And instead of receiving an apology from the department the guy could sue the department/officers and instead potentially cost the city millions (which he may or may not do).

Just like anyone else who screws up a job, there are remedies. If the plumber screws up he doesn't necessarily own up to the mistake and just fix it. Nor does the auto mechanic. Sometimes it takes a little persuasion.

We have a system for dealing with this. It's called civil court.

I'm in no way defending what the police did. It was wrong. They had the wrong information for some reason...for 9 years it went unnoticed.

But... A guy gets arrested and jailed. He's then released and the charges are dropped. Short of a public apology by the PD...which they can't really do for several reasons...is that all there is to it? Well, that's up to the citizen that was mistakenly arrested. He has further remedies in civil court just like he'd have if the plumber screwed up his plumbing and didn't make it right.

The officers might have some immunity. If they were trained that this is the city ordinance and department policy regarding guns in the park and they acted in good faith within the policy by which they were trained, they may indeed face only limited liability. However, the department overall and some others may not be so lucky.

[Byte Stryke]

I have a MINIMUM of 120 hours of continual education requirement per YEAR and Must Retest each cert every 3 years.
If I Screw up, its not just my job or "paid administrative leave."
It's my certs, clearances and a prison term.

To cite a public official:

"IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!"

[SuperiorDG]

They need to carry more then a "Cheat Sheet". I'm sure they have the room.

[Bailey Guns]

I have a MINIMUM of 120 hours of continual education requirement per YEAR and Must Retest each cert every 3 years.
If I Screw up, its not just my job or "paid administrative leave."
It's my certs, clearances and a prison term.

To cite a public official:

"IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!"

OK. You win. You obviously get punished more than anyone else ever will for making a mistake at work. Congratulations.