Paul Ryan

[Rucker61]

National Debt, Mar 09: $10.6 Trillion
National Debt, Today: $16+ Trillion, with an addition $10 Trillion if Obama gets his way

Unemployment, Mar 09: 7.8%
Unemployment, Today: 8.3% in Obama numbers. Probably more like 14 or 15 percent.

The DJIA rose to it's current levels despite Obama's policies...not because of them.

So, yeah. I'll definitely be more than happy to place the responsibility of our current economic situation in Obama's hands. Unfortunately, Obama doesn't want to take any responsibility for it. Why do you suppose he's not on the campaign trail bragging about his national economic accomplishments?

Maybe because he's NOT directly and solely responsible for the economy? He doesn't sole credit or blame for the good or the bad, at least no by anyone with a basic understanding of macro-economics. Sure, you can play political blame game all you want, but if it's only politics at work to anyone, then one only displays one's lack of education.

[Rucker61]

I am a laymen my friend please break it down for me........

DJIA = Dow Jones Industrial Average, the most commonly used method to gauge the health of the economy, based on a select subset of stocks.

From Wikipedia:

De jure (in Classical Latin de iure) is an expression that means "concerning law", as contrasted with de facto, which means "concerning fact".
De jure = 'Legally', De facto = 'In fact'.
The terms de jure and de facto are used instead of "in law" and "in practice", respectively, when one is describing political or legal situations.
In a legal context, de jure is also translated as "concerning law". A practice may exist de facto, where for example the people obey a contract as though there were a law enforcing it, yet there is no such law. A process known as "desuetude" may allow de facto practices to replace obsolete de jure laws. On the other hand, practices may exist de jure and not be obeyed or observed by the people.

An example here would be that a vote for Johnson would not de jure be a vote for Obama, but given that it takes a vote away from Romney could de facto be considered a vote for Obama.

[10mm-man]

DJIA = Dow Jones Industrial Average, the most commonly used method to gauge the health of the economy, based on a select subset of stocks.

From Wikipedia:

De jure (in Classical Latin de iure) is an expression that means "concerning law", as contrasted with de facto, which means "concerning fact".
De jure = 'Legally', De facto = 'In fact'.
The terms de jure and de facto are used instead of "in law" and "in practice", respectively, when one is describing political or legal situations.
In a legal context, de jure is also translated as "concerning law". A practice may exist de facto, where for example the people obey a contract as though there were a law enforcing it, yet there is no such law. A process known as "desuetude" may allow de facto practices to replace obsolete de jure laws. On the other hand, practices may exist de jure and not be obeyed or observed by the people.

An example here would be that a vote for Johnson would not de jure be a vote for Obama, but given that it takes a vote away from Romney could de facto be considered a vote for Obama.

The way you talk, you must be edjumicated. Especially how you talk down to people:

Maybe because he's NOT directly and solely responsible for the economy? He doesn't sole credit or blame for the good or the bad, at least no by anyone with a basic understanding of macro-economics. Sure, you can play political blame game all you want, but if it's only politics at work to anyone, then one only displays one's lack of education.

Thanks for taking the time to explain, it was "complex".....

P.S- not good at inserting : (sarcasm here) or smiles so put were you see fit....

[Rucker61]

The way you talk, you must be edjumicated. Especially how you talk down to people:

You were polite, so I tried to return the favor. Thanks for the response.

[10mm-man]

You were polite, so I tried to return the favor. Thanks for the response.

lol....

[Bailey Guns]

Maybe because he's NOT directly and solely responsible for the economy? He doesn't sole credit or blame for the good or the bad, at least no by anyone with a basic understanding of macro-economics. Sure, you can play political blame game all you want, but if it's only politics at work to anyone, then one only displays one's lack of education.

Right. Bush does. He's been Obama's go to for the blame for almost 4 years now.

[Rooskibar03]

And all heresay.

Gas rose to it's highest levels while Bush was in office. So did food prices. Energy prices rise year after year, regardless of who is in office.

FACT: Gas price when Obama took office 01/2009 - $1.84
Gas price today $3.51


Gas prices where up under the Bush years when the economy was good and bottomed out when we hit the recession.

Now why when the rest of the economy is still in the crapper are gas prices nearing the high under bush when things where booming? Because oBama has declared war on the oil and gas energy sector in favor of the green agenda of his largest campaign contributors.

[patrick0685]

i hate election time, and its my job vs my rights either way i lose

[Rucker61]

Right. Bush does. He's been Obama's go to for the blame for almost 4 years now.

I can't help what a politician says, or believes. I do know that it wasn't Bush's fault, but he did start the recovery. I believe the recovery money was and is a necessary risk, as we had no idea what would happen if we let major US industry and banking fail. I blame the banking industry for cheating the system, I blame the unions for forcing much of US manufacturing offshore and I can put some of the blame on the American consumer for demanding cheap, disposable consumer items and ridiculous mortgages. I share some of this last blame, too.

[45XD]

Don't know if these have already been posted or not...





I'm a big fan of this move- one of the first moves by Romney that I can genuinely get behind....