Now arrest them!

[flan7211]

Border states have at times majority Mexican nationals, especially towards the beginning. And also no quotas or immigration visas; somehow, the US managed to not be taken over in the 1800s, nor the border states secede from the Union (well, not for that reason, anyway.)

I also suggest you get your economics from places other than Hannity. Like maybe open a book some time. It's been established - across spectrums of economists from liberal to conservative to libertarian - that immigrants are, at worst, net-neutral in terms of economic impact on the US. This isn't pie in the sky stuff, it's the reality.

The ethnic identity of the US has evolved over the years, and the same arguments (stealing our jobs, destroying our culture, ruining our government, etc etc ad infinitum) has been rolled out for every last ethnic group that has come here; Irish, Italians, east euros, Mexicans in the past, asians, you name it. Every last immigrant wave has been the special immigrant wave that will ruin America forever, honest.

A bit of historical perspective may make me a bit cynical, but excuse me if I find it ironic that the same exact arguments against letting mexicans immigrate legally as much as they want are trotted out as been trotted out against every previous immigrant group.

Who is Hannity? Ok buster how about Frederich List, Hamilton, Clay, Smith, or Burke? Once again source the fact that the hispanic immigrants have been coming in for 3+ generations and refuse to assimilate. Geography is still key. They can walk back home, send money back home. They were technically here first, and harbor bitterness at us for it. The majority of them are not learning our customs.

[10mm-man]

3+ generations and refuse to assimilate.

Assimilate- I think that is key!

[Pancho Villa]

Who is Hannity? Ok buster how about Frederich List, Hamilton, Clay, Smith, or Burke? Once again source the fact that the hispanic immigrants have been coming in for 3+ generations and refuse to assimilate. Geography is still key. They can walk back home, send money back home. They were technically here first, and harbor bitterness at us for it. The majority of them are not learning our customs.

I believe the claimant has to provide sources. Let's see some.

Also, your first economist is the father of a (mostly) defunct school of economics based on collectivism and that heavily influenced the batshit economies of fascist states. That isn't super surprising but it is funny.

[flan7211]

I believe the claimant has to provide sources. Let's see some.

Also, your first economist is the father of a defunct school of economics based on collectivism. That isn't super surprising but it is funny.

hahahaha ok big guy, you can associate his theories with the American School which built the US into a economic superpower. Is "collectivism" all you've got when referring to the American School of Economic Theory. Sad. Sad.

Also other than your trite responses such as "collectivism" you've provided nothing. You won't respond to anything other than economics. What of culture friend?

[Pancho Villa]

hahahaha ok big guy, you can associate his theories with the American School which built the US into a economic superpower.

Also other than your trite responses such as "collectivism" you've provided nothing. You won't respond to anything other than economics. What of culture friend?

Free market economics built America into an economic powerhouse, not nationalist bullshit.

Culture changes. Values continue to matter, particularly in the case of rational egoism and free markets. The people who stay and vote are the ones who are most attracted to here and who will adopt those values.

By generation 2, most offspring of immigrants (legal and illegal) are bilingual. Starting with gen 3, significant percentages don't even speak spanish. If you want a proxy for assimilation, there's a half decent one.

The fact is, I think citizenship should be hard to get and residency easy to get. Our legal system provides for that already; let's just use it

Go visit boston and you'll see a ton of IRISH PRIDE and Irish flags. No one goes whining that they're not assimilating. If they like Mexico they can go back to it any time, as you've mentioned; so it seems unlikely that people who just don't like the US would stay long term anyway.

[Ronin13]

By generation 2, most offspring of immigrants (legal and illegal) are bilingual. Starting with gen 3, significant percentages don't even speak spanish. If you want a proxy for assimilation, there's a half decent one.

Where are you getting this? I've seen people who came here, speak 0 English and their children speak very broken English. I'm going to bet that their children will speak very little English. They're coming here and building their own version of a "dome city" where they all gather around each other and have their microcosm of a society. They don't need to speak English to make it in this mini-society... but oh wait, we have to expand, because there are too many of them they need to be employed outside their little mini-society, so what happens? The rest of us have to bend over and appease them by learning their language instead of them learning ours. I know several hispanic families that only speak to their children in Spanish.

[flan7211]

Ok well you go on believing what you will Pancho. Your sociology is as bunked as your economics.

[sniper7]

In regards to illegals from other countries, I haven't seen any chinese, russian, canadian, italian, german etc etc etc flags being flown. I don't see them being raised about the American flag and reported multiple times per year, including at public schools.

[spyder]

Why does everyone still argue with Pancho in threads like these? You all know he isn't ever gona get it, he's as left with this subject as others are against guns. No matter what the truth is, he will never see it, or try. He'll just keep blabbing away with a bunch of crap and weird "facts" that he can't prove anywhere. DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

[Ronin13]

Why does everyone still argue with Pancho in threads like these? You all know he isn't ever gona get it, he's as left with this subject as others are against guns. No matter what the truth is, he will never see it, or try. He'll just keep blabbing away with a bunch of crap and weird "facts" that he can't prove anywhere. DON'T FEED THE TROLL.

Good point. It seems like we can't get through to him, and that's kinda sad... reminds me so much of a leftist, in fact, if it wasn't for his gun ownership, I'd swear he was a liberal.