How's that religion of Peace working??

[Great-Kazoo]

It's not the Muslim religion itself we need to shun in the USA, it's the acts in its name that conflict with our laws. Don't allow that line to be crossed and i'm perfectly cool and supportive of their existence here. Tolerance is a requirement of freedom. So is rule of law. It's a fine balance that requires wisdom to sustain.

I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.

[FastMan]

I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.

I hear ya, Jim. The silence from the Muslim community infuriates me too. At worst, it indicates support of the evil acts by some of them. At best, it shows a major lack of character, possibly propagated out of fear.

Either way, it falls short of action. While in this country we quickly squelch those who's acts directly violate the rights and welfare of others, we simultaneously provide freedom of thought, here in this great country, regardless how distasteful those thoughts may be to some. We also don't outlaw cowardliness, nor require courageousness and speaking out. We respect such courage and character, but don't require it.

You know, I look around and see such personal shortcomings of timidness or inability to think for self in many of my fellow Americans, of all religions, colors or ethnic backgrounds. It's OK with me, I understand the human condition, and that not everyone can rise above the pressures of their environment, to speak out against their friends, family, and peers. They just don't have it in them. They have to depend on those special few who do possess that courage deep within their core to be that singular voice of righteousness to break a path for them to follow.

Still waiting for those special few in the Muslim community to step forward and lead. When they do, I'll have their back, as I'm sure you will too.

[ChunkyMonkey]

When they do, I'll have their back, as I'm sure you will too.

Koran 3:54... http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_...#Qur.27an_3:54
Under Koran, the muslims are allowed to lie to the nonbeliever for Allah himself is the best liar.

[FastMan]

Koran 3:54... http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_...#Qur.27an_3:54
Under Koran, the muslims are allowed to lie to the nonbeliever for Allah himself is the best liar.

MB888, thanks for the link. The expression "Trust But Verify" comes to mind. Would you be willing to extend that much?

[ChunkyMonkey]

MB888, thanks for the link. The expression "Trust But Verify" comes to mind. Would you be willing to extend that much?

I did to my best friend/ neighbor whom i known since childhood.. but when the mob came, he sided w/ the mob and helped them burn my house because my family and I are non muslim. There is no such thing as moderate muslim.

http://www.oocities.org/~budis1/arti...in_jakarta.htm

[FastMan]

I did to my best friend/ neighbor whom i known since childhood.. but when the mob came, he sided w/ the mob and helped them burn my house because my family and I are non muslim. There is no such thing as moderate muslim.

http://www.oocities.org/~budis1/arti...in_jakarta.htm

Wow, MB. Was that an Obama'ish type composite example of a betrayal of trust, or an actual account of something that actually happened to you? If that really happened to you, I can understand and appreciate your feelings on this topic.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Wow, MB. Was that an Obama'ish type composite example of a betrayal of trust, or an actual account of something that actually happened to you? If that really happened to you, I can understand and appreciate your feelings on this topic.

Yep, I was lucky enough as I was already US resident and able to reach the embassy in time. My bro had to witness the most gruesome things. He said he can still smell it whenever he thinks back.

NSFW.. https://www.google.com/search?q=jaka...w=1166&bih=770

[ChunkyMonkey]

I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.

What silence? They were celebrating in middle east and south east asia. In Gaza, they were passing out candies and calling it a new holiday. In Indonesia, they printed tshirts w/ osama bin ladin face and calling him a nabi. Til today the most moderate and largest muslim country in the world, Osama bin ladin is considered a hero. They were chanting osama and obama in 2008 in Jakarta, Indonesia.

So no roaring silence... it's way worse the other way around. They celebrated the attack. Fuck Islam.

[Great-Kazoo]

What silence? They were celebrating in middle east and south east asia. In Gaza, they were passing out candies and calling it a new holiday. In Indonesia, they printed tshirts w/ osama bin ladin face and calling him a nabi. Til today the most moderate and largest muslim country in the world, Osama bin ladin is considered a hero. They were chanting osama and obama in 2008 in Jakarta, Indonesia.

So no roaring silence... it's way worse the other way around. They celebrated the attack. Fuck Islam.

the silence i was referring to was the Lack or condemnation from any Muslim country decrying the attacks. To this day the silence from the muslim world including CAIR and the yahoos up in michigan remains a serious issue.

[ChunkyMonkey]

the silence i was referring to was the Lack or condemnation from any Muslim country decrying the attacks. To this day the silence from the muslim world including CAIR and the yahoos up in michigan remains a serious issue.

I know.. it was a bad sarcasm by me. Instead of condemnation, they celebrated.