Don't vote for Gary Johnson

[Rust_shackleford]

Until we end the cycle of debt based currency it doesn't matter which puppets are elected.

[Teufelhund]

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I could go on, but you get the drift. In the 60's everyone was looking for Utopia, it did not exist then and it doesnt exist now. As much as I generically agree with a lot of what a Libertarian has to say, they generically are not realistic about much of anything.

You do go on. The drift I get from your post is the only things you know about the Libertarian platform are what you've heard from Republicans. That is to say, you don't understand most of it. Your arguments against what little you do understand are contradicted by actual statistics you likely haven't bothered to look up for yourself.

Here are some links to get you started:

http://www.lp.org/platform

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

[Ronin13]

The one thing I do agree with the doom-and-gloom guys about is that Obama's administration is one of, if not the worst in our history. I don't think he's going to send us all to re-education camps or anything so melodramatic, but I am worried about impending monetary collapse if something isn't changed drastically, and very soon. He needs to go, but it doesn't matter if we're just going to end up with someone else in office who will continue to make things worse. It's not like Bush handed Obama a country in wonderful shape, and Obama broke it; he just continued down a similar, counter-productive path. How divergent is the current Republican platform from the one in place while Dubya Bush was in office?

If you guys could somehow convince me that Mitt wouldn't have done the major things Obama has done, or the things George Bush did, I think I'd be willing to vote R just to get the current administration out. I just don't see it though. Mitt agrees with Obama on most of the important issues, most of with which I disagree. Mitt is talking about increasing spending and the size of government in every sector, and yet also proposing a massive tax cut. I have to agree with Biden on this one: that's not mathematically possible, unless there is something Mitt plans to save money on that he hasn't told us about.

Also, is Mitt going to repeal the Patriot Act? I've never heard any American say he supports the Patriot Act, and yet there it is. And you guys think we'll be represented better by having another Republican back in office? If you base your decision on the record of the last few sitting Presidents, you have to conclude our liberties and economy will continue to circle the drain as long as a Republican or a Democrat is in the White House. If voting R for the win doesn't produce a more desirable proposition, why the hell would I do it? I'd rather add to the vote percentage the Libertarians will get in order to increase their funding for next cycle.

A few of you have made good arguments and convinced me that the Libertarian party should focus more on getting (L) leaders elected to Congress. Congress is probably a bigger issue than POTUS right now; these career legislators spending a large portion of their lives passing laws for their corporate sponsors are what is really killing us. I think term limits for legislators would fix a lot of our problems, but it would take several years before it made any impact.

Romney proposed making cuts, he also said "No tax cuts that add to the debt." He wants to make one thing clear- more jobs=more taxpayers=more tax revenue. That's how. I have no idea what on Earth you are talking about with the whole increased spending and making government bigger- I have yet to hear him propose that. I have heard him and Ryan both say that regulations need to be relaxed in some areas, and government spending needs to be reduced (PBS subsidiary? No more stimulus money?). L or D, it's all the same to me this election... If we all believed what they say then the "truth" would be that Obama is the devil who wears a suit and worships Mao, Lenin, Stalin and Marx; and Romney is an evil rich guy who wants to give jobs to China and make it so rich people pay no taxes at all...

[Rust_shackleford]

Romney proposed making cuts, he also said "No tax cuts that add to the debt." He wants to make one thing clear- more jobs=more taxpayers=more tax revenue. That's how. I have no idea what on Earth you are talking about with the whole increased spending and making government bigger- I have yet to hear him propose that. I have heard him and Ryan both say that regulations need to be relaxed in some areas, and government spending needs to be reduced (PBS subsidiary? No more stimulus money?). L or D, it's all the same to me this election... If we all believed what they say then the "truth" would be that Obama is the devil who wears a suit and worships Mao, Lenin, Stalin and Marx; and Romney is an evil rich guy who wants to give jobs to China and make it so rich people pay no taxes at all...

Read my lips no new taxes!

[dwalker460]

You do go on. The drift I get from your post is the only things you know about the Libertarian platform are what you've heard from Republicans. That is to say, you don't understand most of it. Your arguments against what little you do understand are contradicted by actual statistics you likely haven't bothered to look up for yourself.

Here are some links to get you started:

http://www.lp.org/platform

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

I actually read those, I agree with some, strongly dis-agree with others.

Personally, I would rather vote for the guy who knows how to run a business and actually can create jobs and has done so his whole career. I tend to believe a guy who did not take a salary while Governor instead literally saying, I have enough money, no need for the taxpayer to pay me. The guy who to keep in touch with Americans actually went out and did blue collar jobs and has volunteered extensively not just with his wallet throwing around a his bucks (Bill gates/Warren Buffet take note) but actually working himself to help others. And he did it in America, to help Americans, not on some Peace Corp mission in Guatemala.

Yeah I dont agree with all Mitts views, but then I have NEVER agreed with all of anyones policies. I do understand his approach on taxes/spending and feel that while it is a little less aggressive than I think it should be, its likely to get approved and put into effect and actually will have some benefit. He is not a socialist in any form and understands business, trade, and policy making on a a level Johnson never will, and Obaloney cannot even dream of.

I cannot vote for Governor Veto. I dont think he "gets it" at all. I cannot see him accomplishing anything, which will not leave things at status quot, but rather continue down this path, which is socialism.He is literally running on the " different is better" platform that Obaloney used! Which makes him twice the loser IMHO. Not that he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected, but it is an uneeded distraction.

[Rust_shackleford]

I actually read those, I agree with some, strongly dis-agree with others.

Personally, I would rather vote for the guy who knows how to run a business and actually can create jobs and has done so his whole career. I tend to believe a guy who did not take a salary while Governor instead literally saying, I have enough money, no need for the taxpayer to pay me. The guy who to keep in touch with Americans actually went out and did blue collar jobs and has volunteered extensively not just with his wallet throwing around a his bucks (Bill gates/Warren Buffet take note) but actually working himself to help others. And he did it in America, to help Americans, not on some Peace Corp mission in Guatemala.

Yeah I dont agree with all Mitts views, but then I have NEVER agreed with all of anyones policies. I do understand his approach on taxes/spending and feel that while it is a little less aggressive than I think it should be, its likely to get approved and put into effect and actually will have some benefit. He is not a socialist in any form and understands business, trade, and policy making on a a level Johnson never will, and Obaloney cannot even dream of.

I cannot vote for Governor Veto. I dont think he "gets it" at all. I cannot see him accomplishing anything, which will not leave things at status quot, but rather continue down this path, which is socialism.He is literally running on the " different is better" platform that Obaloney used! Which makes him twice the loser IMHO. Not that he has a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected, but it is an uneeded distraction.

Freedom is Slavery

[William]

As I learned from "Master and Commander" it is always best to choose the lesser of two weevils.

[Danimal]

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[Sharpienads]

I would say the solution (or a gigantic leap to the solution) is to keep government as local as possible. Local government is more responsive and responsible to the people.

In other words, if our country functioned the way it was set up, we wouldn't be in this mess. It drives me insane when I get blank looks from people after I say things like federalism and rule of law.

ETA: The problem is how do we get there. It won't happen quickly. Government responsibilities will have to slowly be transferred from the federal to state level until all the federal government does is what is enumerated in Article 1.

[hatidua]

Until we end the cycle of debt based currency it doesn't matter which puppets are elected.

In the grand scheme of things, that about covers it.