Senator Feinstein's Proposed 2013 Legislation

[BigDee]

Seriously???? You think bending over and compromising is the answer? No insult intended but...Is your name Neville Chamberlin? You have a great chance of being a politician with that line of thinking.

The 2nd Amend has NOTHING to do with hunting and sports! The doss cunts in DC are trying to make it a hunting issue when in fact it's about freedom, rights, and the ability to defend yourself/your family. We need to stand our ground and encourage the Repubs in the House to fight for no changes! The want control of our lives...from cradle to the grave., They want our health, education, jobs, entertainment, rights, freedoms, and liberties. Our 1984 is upon us.

Fuck Feinstein, Obama, and Biden! May they all contract a nasty disease and die a slow, painful death. They have sold their souls to the devil and daily destroy our country piece by piece. Fucking evil to the core! End of rant.

If given the option to either a) give up one bedroom in my house or b) burn the entire house to the ground and be left with nothing I choose option a.

Let us not forget that a good majority of American people see those of us who are pro gun as a bunch of hillbilly lunatic preppers that need mental help. The agenda can be even further pushed if they start going to places like the Tanner gun show where the majority of the shoppers seem to make every effort to blatantly represent the stereotype the antis portray us as to the rest of the world.

While I'm not saying we have to compromise, I am saying that based on what the Feds bring to the table and the publics reaction to the proposal we may not have a choice in the matter if we wish to see the 2A stay in place.

If the antis can show to the public that they were willing to compromise on what most considered "sensible" legislation while the house was not willing to compromise and nothing was done while innocent people
continue to be murdered by dangerous weapons we will likely see ourselves looking at legislation 2 years from now that will limit us to private ownership of muzzle loaders and 1 round capacity bolt action rifles.

Obviously it is still to soon to tell what will come but more than likely there will need to be compromise from both sides of the table. As is, this fiscal cliff issue is looking more negatively on the GOP lead house than any other fact of the government because the house is basically holding up everyone else in order to stand their ground and prevent tax increases to the top 1%. If the house takes the same approach on gun control they will have likely created the perfect storm which will result in a far left leaning super majority in all aspects of the government. That radical super majority would push for a mandatory buy back like what we saw in Australia and would push for massive tax increases on any of us who earn a decent income while pushing their radical agenda. If there is no opposition from the conservatives (which there likely will not be as we continue down this path) they will be able to unanimously pass anything they choose.

[TFOGGER]

No compromise. It is a false compromise when they have nothing to give, we're just giving away our rights in an attempt to appease the left. As far as practicality goes, it now takes the ATF 6-7 months to process each of the few thousand tax stamp requests each year, so how long do you think it would take for them to process 7-10 MILLION? i'm in my mid 40s, and I'll be long dead of old age before they can make this happen. The way I see it Oblather can spend his political capital on gun control, or immigration reform. He doesn't have enough for both, and gun control will add very few new Democrats to the voting rolls. My bet is that they make a lot of noise about this, bills get introduced and passed in the Senate, only to die in the House. Oblowme doesn't ever see one cross his desk, so he's absolved of responsibility. On a State level, things look much bleaker. We need to be proactive in making sure our state senators and representatives, as well as the Governor know that there are political consequences for removing the rights of law abiding gun owners while doing nothing to address the circumstances that lead to things like the Aurora murders.

[Kraven251]

I can always build another house.

A few weeks ago I would have agreed with you, then I started reading, lots of reading. Not just here but both sides of the issue. Lost some friends over the issue, and realized there isn't middle ground. There can't be middle ground, not on this.

All of the issues they are bringing up and want to limit have nothing to do with law abiding citizens. These cosmetic items are cosmetic, and server minor functionality, but don't change anything other than the look of most firearms.

They will nickel and dime until there is nothing left, because we let it happen. Eventually you have nothing left to compromise on because you gave it all away yesterday.

[BigDee]

As far as practicality goes, it now takes the ATF 6-7 months to process each of the few thousand tax stamp requests each year, so how long do you think it would take for them to process 7-10 MILLION? .

Probably 10X that number considering the AW classification test will be changed from 2 characteristics to 1.

[Ronin13]

I can always build another house.

A few weeks ago I would have agreed with you, then I started reading, lots of reading. Not just here but both sides of the issue. Lost some friends over the issue, and realized there isn't middle ground. There can't be middle ground, not on this.

All of the issues they are bringing up and want to limit have nothing to do with law abiding citizens. These cosmetic items are cosmetic, and server minor functionality, but don't change anything other than the look of most firearms.

They will nickel and dime until there is nothing left, because we let it happen. Eventually you have nothing left to compromise on because you gave it all away yesterday.

You forgot to mention, more laws only hinders those who are willing to abide by those laws... Criminals couldn't care less what kind of laws they pass.

[T-Jet]

She's throwing the most restrictive and heavily regulated bill at the wall and hoping that something from it will stick. She's going for the moon then will compromise for anything after that.

Write your representatives guys - and I mean now!

[hatidua]

Some compromise may be our best option at this point.

Wow! -not a single bill has even been formally put forward and some on this site are already, preemptively, talking compromise. We are truly screwed!

[Sharpienads]

Wow! -not a single bill has even been formally put forward and some on this site are already, preemptively, talking compromise. We are truly screwed!

Scary, isn't it?

No "compromise"!

[battle_sight_zero]

Here is an article forwarded to me from Conservative Byte.com

Senate to go for Handguns

Posted on December 27, 2012 by Conservative Byte

Feinstein bill will require ‘grandfathered weapons be registered’; calls for owners to be fingerprinted.

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

• Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
  
  • 120 specifically-named firearms
  • Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
  • Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
  
  
• Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
  
  • Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
  • Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
  • Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
  
  
• Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
• Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
  
  • Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
  • Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
  • Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
  
  
• Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
  
  • Background check of owner and any transferee;
  • Type and serial number of the firearm;
  • Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
  • Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
  • Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2012/12/...#ixzz2GHEnScd3

[R&S]

Fecalstein is a