French Ride Forth to Check Islamic Aggresion

[Ronin13]

Sadly, even without Saddam & the Republican Guard, Iraq is STILL A MUSLIM country. I doubt there has been that much change. I'm sure their justice system is still harsh as hell, nothing like America/Europe. Think of Saudi Arabia, our semi-ally with an actual AirForce base there. You better believe they torture the shit out of their prisoners, and still treat women like slaves in every facet of life, EVEN TODAY. Same with the Taliban killing/torturing girls trying to attend schools, and burning down those schools. The Afghan government is NO friend of ours or the West, they're just taking advantage of our goodwill and $$$$$. Pakistan is exactly the same, they are our enemies, you better believe it. It's just a "marriage of convenience" right now, while the $$$ flows out of YOURS AND MY wallet/taxes.

I agree, but with our kill/capture program, the Reaper Initiative, Operation Neptune's Spear, etc., we have effectively decimated most of the AQ command structure, have the Taliban pretty bruised up, and on the whole, Iraq and Afghanistan are better now than they were 13+ years ago. Iraq isn't torturing their sports teams for losing, they aren't using chemical weapons on an entire ethnic group, and Arab-Christians aren't exactly hiding out any more. Sure, the Taliban is still menacing their society and when we pull out completely of both place it's just going to slip again...but for now it's actually better. Anyone who does't think AFG is better now than it was in 2000, well my guess is they've never been there and they assume things.

Islam is the national religion of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Apostasy is punishable by death in both countries. It has been prevented in a few high-profile cases only by US diplomatic intervention in both countries.

Both countries will be supporting Islamic terrorists with US supplied arms and training, not to mention better infrastructure and out-and-out support, within a few years of us leaving, on the outside. Neither country is better off in the long run than before. Iraq is arguably going to be worse off.

If you think the win/loss bar in this war is "terrorist attacks in the US" you are very much off base. Islam as a political system must be smashed, and Islam itself converted from a theocratic religion ala Catholicism in the dark ages to a peaceful one. The only way to do that is crushing military defeats and forcing Islam out of the political arena at the point of a sword. That is the measure of our success, and by that measure we've failed miserably.

I agree 100%, and I don't rate the win/lose bar as there haven't been terrorist attacks here, that's part of it though. When Obama took office, we were on the road to victory- in 2014, when ODipshit pulls our troops out of Afghanistan, I promise you, within 12 mos the Taliban will be back in power.

[Pancho Villa]

I agree 100%, and I don't rate the win/lose bar as there haven't been terrorist attacks here, that's part of it though. When Obama took office, we were on the road to victory- in 2014, when ODipshit pulls our troops out of Afghanistan, I promise you, within 12 mos the Taliban will be back in power.

The problem isn't Obama. We were on our way out of Iraq & Afghanistan eventually and whenever we leave, the Islamists will not "take over in 12 mouths" - read the laws on the books right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. THEY ALREADY WON. They're getting billions in US aid. Their soldiers are being trained and equipped by us. Their roads and schools and hospitals built by us. Some harder-line Islamists may quibble with them but whenever the dust clears and whoever wins out they will have the US to thank for a bunch of shiny new infrastructure and US supplied military arms and munitions, along with the latest thinking on TTPs from the current best army in the world, and a decade of experience fighting us.