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    This is REALLY BAD,

    So basically every piece of this thing would have to be contested in SCOTUS and tossed to get rid of it, barring a separate act that repeals it.

    SEC. 7. SEVERABILITY.

    If any provision of this Act, an amendment made bythis Act, or the application of such provision or amend ment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, the amendments madeby this Act, and the application of such provision oramendment to any person or circumstance shall not be affected thereby.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thvigil11 View Post

    Is it just me or does this sound like a way to generally ensnare anything that has a handguard on it?
    That's exactly what it sounds like to me. My question is, if a rifle with a handguard is a banned "AW", does that mean it will be illegal to sell handguards under her perfect AWB? Since they are saying one evil feature makes a rifle a AW, I would suspect they would also want to ban anything that allows a post-ban rifle to be modified with these scary, murderous accessories? I haven't read it yet...

    Ah, here's my answer. Aftermarket parts are included in the AWB.

    ‘(L) Any combination of parts from which a
    firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K)
    can be assembled.
    Guess I should have suspected as much. So they'll grandfather your scary guns but if they breakdown, you're shit out of luck buying replacement parts.
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    The truth is that the "barrel shroud" was included because it makes a regular gun look scarey. They were purposly casting a broad net so they got everything even remotely military looking out of the hands of civilians. Its about making sure that the people aren't comfortable around various types of guns so that there will be less people to fight further bans down the road.

    This M1919 has a barrel shroud on it (and I guarantee this type of thing is what they were thinking of when they wrote it ... no I don't believe Carolyn McCarthy (or any other senate or congress critter) actually wrote a single word of it, like all these behemoth, byzantine laws, they're written by staffers and lobbyists and just rubber stamped by the politicritters).

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    If I read this right, these are ok still since they are pump and bolt even though they're "scary" looking and have virtually all the banned features. These gun haters are out of their minds.




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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    Although I find the entire bill absurd, why did a barrel shroud ever, even back in '94, make the list? I don't expect Feinstein to make sense or do anything based on logic or fact, but how does the presence, or absence, of a barrel shroud somehow make a shotgun more lethal?
    . . . or a flash hider, or a pistol grip, or a detachable magazine. The entire premise of this bill and its predecessor is ridiculous because all of these things are cosmetic and have zero impact on lethality. It's not supposed to make sense, it's just supposed to implement control.
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    It's difficult for the rational and logical mind to comprehend any of this mess. There is nothing rational or logical about it except for their desire to turn us into subjects.
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    so when does this thing get voted on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    The truth is that the "barrel shroud" was included because it makes a regular gun look scarey. They were purposly casting a broad net so they got everything even remotely military looking out of the hands of civilians. Its about making sure that the people aren't comfortable around various types of guns so that there will be less people to fight further bans down the road.

    This M1919 has a barrel shroud on it (and I guarantee this type of thing is what they were thinking of when they wrote it ... no I don't believe Carolyn McCarthy (or any other senate or congress critter) actually wrote a single word of it, like all these behemoth, byzantine laws, they're written by staffers and lobbyists and just rubber stamped by the politicritters).

    I completely agree that was the original intent. It just looks to me as if they have redefined barrel shroud as a back door way to encompass more "Evil Features"

    Does that DD, Midwest, or PRI free float handguard shield you from the heat? Does it encircle the barrel? Then it is one of those barrel shroud thingies. And it has a pistol grip? And a detachable super high capacity 7 round machinegun clip. Then I'm afraid you have an illegal weapon and have to go to the Federal Pound-Me-In-The-@$$ place we have for all you wacko/ extremists.

    Ain't the first time they have rewritten the meaning of a word to suit their needs. Afraid they are casting that net even broader this time, they certainly have learned from their previous mistakes.

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    Bolt actions are exempt, no matter how scary they look. Which just proves they simply want to ban all semi-autos...they just add that "military feature" and exempt list BS so the ignorant think they really are just trying to ban scary killing machines and not the largest quantity of firearms as possible.

    The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’
    means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:
    (A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the
    following:
    (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import,
    sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting
    interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault
    weapon.

    Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm
    that—
    (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;

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    Quote Originally Posted by cofi View Post
    so when does this thing get voted on?
    I would also like to know what the timeline looks like now.

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